XY Doubles Benchmarks

[Audiosurfer]

NOW UPDATED FOR XY!
It is a well-known fact that EVing your Pokemon can be essential to a team's success in the Doubles metagame. It is something so important that a whole TOTW was devoted towards exploring the best way to maximize the effect of your EVs. However, many people may find it daunting to attempt to keep track of the many different benchmarks there are in the Doubles metagame, and will thus resort to inferior 252/252 spreads as opposed to finding spreads that will best fit their team. This thread's goal is to provide an easy to access list of benchmarks to make it easier to calculate spreads for your Pokemon. In addition to the Speed benchmarks, there is a list of important offensive and defensive benchmarks to consider when EVing that is available below. Sadly, this list is likely missing things, so if you feel that there is an important benchmark being left out, be sure to mention it.

For Pokemon affected by stat boosts and drops, all non-integers round down.

Speed Tiers

Speed Tiers:
Format: Speed / Pokemon / Base Speed / Nature (+Spe, -Spe, or Neutral) / EV Investment / Boost
* - An asterisk next to the nature indicates that the Pokemon has 0 Speed IVs
** - Two asterisks next to the boost indicates that the speed factors in a drop from Icy Wind
(-M) - This at the end of a Pokemon's name indicates that it is the Mega form
Bold - Extremely common and relevant speed tier

Tier 0 (Boost Required)
700 / Latios, Latias / 110 / +Spe / 252 / 2
656 / Zapdos, Blaziken-M / 100 / +Spe / 2
550 / Excadrill / 88 / Neutral / 252 / 2
538 / Kingdra, Blaziken / 85 / Neutral / 252 / 2
519 / Terrakion / 108 / +Spe / 252 / 1
518 / Venusaur / 80 / Neutral / 252 / 2
492 / Volcarona, Blaziken-M / 100 / +Spe / 252 / 1
489 / Genesect / 99 / +Spe / 252 / 1
478 / Ludicolo / 70 / Neutral / 252 / 2
463 / Landorus-T / 91 / +Spe / 252 / 1
447 / Rotom-A / 86 / +Spe / 252 / 1

Tier 1 (Neutral base 100s to Max Base 150 Speed)
438 / Deoxys-A, Aerodactyl-M / 150 / +Spe / 252 / 0
433 / Kyurem, Kyurem-B, Zygarde / 95 / Neutral / 252 / 1
426 / Chandelure / 80 / +Spe / 252 / 1
421 / Landorus-T / 91 / Neutral / 252 / 1
412 / Suicune / 85 / Neutral / 0 / 2
405 / Manectric-M / 135 / +Spe / 252 / 0
404 / Excadrill / 88 / +Spe / 252 / 1**
399 / Deoxys-A, Aerodactyl-M / 150 / Neutral / 252 / 0
394 / Aerodactyl, Gengar-M / 130 / +Spe / 252 / 0
392 / Togekiss / 80 / Neutral / 0 / 2
388 / Blaziken, Chandelure / 80 / Neutral / 252 / 1
388 / Shaymin-S / 127 / +Spe / 252 / 0
383 / Weavile, Darkrai / 125 / +Spe / 252 / 0
377 / Greninja / 122 / +Spe / 252 / 0
369 / Manectric-M / 135 / Neutral / 252 / 0
366 / Excadrill / 88 / Neutral / 252 / 1**
364 / Tyranitar / 61 / +Spe / 252 / 1
361 / Raikou / 115 / +Spe / 252 / 0
359 / Aerodactyl, Gengar-M / 130 / Neutral / 252 / 0
358 / Kingdra / 85 / Neutral / 252 / 1**
353 / Shaymin-S / 127 / Neutral / 252 / 0
353 / Thundurus / 111 / +Spe / 252 / 0
351 / Talonflame / 126 / Neutral / 252 / 0
350 / Latios, Latias / 110 / +Spe / 252 / 0
346 / Terrakion, Virizion, Infernape / 108 / +Spe / 252 / 0
345 / Venusaur, Kabutops / 80 / Neutral / 252 / 1**
339 / Pinsir-M / 105 / +Spe / 252 / 0
333 / Garchomp / 102 / +Spe / 252 / 0
331 / Thundurus-T, Landorus / 101 / +Spe / 252 / 0
328 / Salamence, Kangaskhan-M, Gardevoir-M, Charizard Y-M / 100 / +Spe / 252 / 0
326 / Genesect / 99 / +Spe / 252 / 0
324 / Hydreigon / 98 / +Spe / 252 / 0
318 / Ludicolo / 70 / Neutral / 252 / 1**
311 / Garchomp-M / 92 / +Spe / 252 / 0
301 / Thundurus-T, Landorus / 101 / Neutral / 252 / 0
299 / Salamence, Kangaskhan-M, Gardevoir-M, Charizard Y-M/ 100 / Neutral / 252 / 0

Tier 2 (Max Base 85s to Min Base 71)
295 / Heracross, Suicune / 85 / +Spe / 252 / 0
292 / Deoxys-A / 150 / +Spe / 252 / -1**
289 / Kyurem, Kyurem-B, Zygarde / 95 / Neutral / 252 / 0
283 / Garchomp-M / 92 / Neutral / 252 / 0
281 / Landorus-T / 91 / Neutral / 252 / 0
275 / Excadrill / 88 / Neutral / 252 / 0
269 / Kingdra, Heracross, Suicune / 85 / Neutral / 252 / 0
266 / Deoxys-A / 150 / Neutral / 252 / -1**
262 / Breloom / 70 / +Spe / 252 / 0
261 / Gyarados, Gyarados-M / 81 / Neutral / 252 / 0
259 / Mamoswine, Chandelure, Venusaur, Venusaur-M. Blaziken / 80 / Neutral / 252 / 0
258 / Shaymin-S / 127 / +Spe / 252 / -1**
253 / Heatran / 77 / Neutral / 252 / 0
243 / Tyranitar / 61 / +Spe / 252 / 0
239 / Breloom, Ludicolo, Bisharp / 70 / Neutral / 252 / 0
235 / Thundurus / 111 / +Spe / 252 / -1**
233 / Latios / 110 / +Spe / 252 / -1**
230 / Terrakion, Keldeo / 108 / +Spe / 252 / -1**
222 / Garchomp / 102 / +Spe / 252 / -1**
221 / Tyranitar / 61 / Neutral / 252 / 0
218 / Charizard Y-M, Kangaskhan-M, Gardevoir-M, Salamence / 100 / +Spe / 252 / -1**
218 / Victini / 100 / +Spe / 252 / -1
208 / Rotom-A / 86 / Neutral / 0 / 0
206 / Suicune, Cresselia / 85 / Neutral / 0 / 0
199 / Charizard Y-M, Kangaskhan-M, Gardevoir-M, Salamence / 100 / Neutral / 252 / -1**
199 / Victini / 100 / Neutral / 252 / -1
196 / Chandelure, Venusaur-M, Togekiss, Goodra / 80 / Neutral / 0 / 0
192 / Blastoise-M / 78 / Neutral / 0 / 0
190 / Heatran / 77 / Neutral / 0 / 0
186 / Scizor-M, Heracross-M / 75 / Neutral / 0 / 0
184 / Victini / 100 / -Spe* / 0 / 0
178 / Tyranitar-M / 71 / Neutral / 0 / 0

Tier 3 (Min Speed 70s and Under)
176 / Bisharp, Hitmontop, Politoed / 70 / Neutral / 0 / 0
166 / Scizor / 65 / Neutral / 0 / 0
160 / Tyranitar-M / 71 / -Spe / 0 / 0
158 / Tyranitar / 61 / Neutral / 0 / 0
156 / Abomasnow, Jellicent, Aegislash / 60 / Neutral / 0 / 0
155 / Gourgeist / 84 / -Spe* / 0 / 0
152 / Scrafty / 58 / Neutral / 0 / 0
148 / Chandelure, Gallade / 80 / -Spe* / 0 / 0
146 / Machamp / 55 / Neutral / 0 / 0
143 / Heatran / 77 / -Spe* / 0 / 0
142 / Tyranitar / 61 / -Spe / 0 / 0
140 / Abomasnow, Jellicent, Aegislash / 60 / -Spe / 0 / 0
136 / Azumarill / 50 / Neutral / 0 / 0
132 / Tyranitar-M / 71 / -Spe* / 0 / 0
126 / Conkeldurr / 45 / Neutral / 0 / 0
123 / Victini / 100 / -Spe* / 0 / -1
116 / Rhyperior / 40 / Neutral / 0 / 0
114 / Gastrodon / 39 / Neutral / 0 / 0
114 / Tyranitar / 61 / -Spe* / 0 / 0

Tier 4: (Trick Room Pokemon + Slowmons)
112 / Jellicent / 60 / -Spe* / 0 / 0
94 / Hariyama, Mawile-M, Azumarill / 50 / -Spe*/ 0 / 0
85 / Conkeldurr, Ampharos-M / 45 / -Spe* / 0 / 0
76 / Ferrothorn / 20 / Neutral / 0 / 0
76 / Rhyperior / 40 / -Spe* / 0 / 0
74 / Gastrodon / 39 / -Spe* / 0 / 0
58 / Reuniclus, Slowking, Amoonguss, Abomasnow-M / 30 / -Spe* / 0 / 0
56 / Musharna, Aromatisse / 29 / -Spe* / 0 / 0
49 / Dusclops / 25 / -Spe*/ 0 / 0
40 / Escavalier, Ferrothorn / 20 / -Spe*/ 0 / 0

Offensive Benchmarks

Offensive Benchmark (Opposing Pokemon you want to inflict damage / KO)
* - Indicates that you should consider accounting for Intimidate drops if calcing physical attacks

• max HP Cresselia
• max HP Tyranitar
• max HP & max Def Politoed
• max HP Hitmontop*
• max HP Assault Vest Scrafty*
• max HP Scrafty*
• min HP Latios
• max HP Jellicent
• min HP Landorus-T*
• max HP Heatran
• max HP & max SDef Amoonguss
• min HP Charizard Y-M
• min HP Kangaskhan-M
• max HP Kangaskhan-M
• max HP Rotom-W
• max HP Thundurus
• min HP Salamence*
• max HP Togekiss

Defense Benchmarks

Defensive Benchmark (Opposing Pokemon's moves you want to tank)
* - Indicates that you should be sure to factor in spread damage reduction when calculating
Physical:

• LO Brave Bird from Talonflame (Adamant)
• +1 Brave Bird from Talonflame (Adamant)
• +1 Dragon Claw from Kyurem-B
• Earthquake from Garchomp*
• Earthquake from Garchomp-M* (w/ or w/o Sand Force boost)
• Earthquake from Landorus-T*
• Earthquake from Rhyperior*
• Bug Bite from Scizor (Adamant)
• Bug Bite from Scizor-M
• Rock Slide from Terrakion*
• Rock Slide from Tyranitar*
• Rock Slide from +1 Tyranitar-M*
• Crunch from Tyranitar
• Crunch from Tyranitar-M
• Play Rough from Mawile-M
• Play Rough from Azumarill
• +1 Play Rough from Azumarill
• Bullet Punch from Lucario-M
• LO Bullet Punch from +2 Scizor
• Bullet Punch from +2 Scizor-M
• Close Combat from Terrakion
• Close Combat from Lucario-M
• LO Iron Fist boosted Hammer Arm from Conkeldurr
• LO Iron Fist boosted Drain Punch from Conkeldurr
• Return from Kangaskhan-M
• Fake Out + Return from Kangaskhan-M
• LO Knock Off from Bisharp (with or without item)
• LO Sucker Punch from Bisharp
• Dragon Claw from Charizard X-M
• Dragon Claw from Garchomp

Special:

• LO Psycho Boost from Deoxys-A
• LO Draco Meteor from Latios (Timid)
• Eruption from Heatran (in or out of Sun)
• Hydro Pump from Modest Kingdra (in or out of Rain)
• Heat Wave from Charizard Y-M* (in sun)
• Heat Wave from Heatran (with or without Sun)*
• Heat Wave from Chandelure* (with or without Sun)
• Fire Blast from Charizard Y-M* (in sun)
• Life Orb-boosted Muddy Water from Modest Kingdra (with or without Rain)
• Life Orb-boosted Giga Drain from Modest Ludicolo
• Shadow Ball from Aegislash
• Hyper Voice from Gardevoir-M*
• Moonblast from Gardevoir-M
• +1 Thunderbolt from Thundurus-T
• +1 Thunder from Thundurus-T
• Overheat from Rotom-Heat
• Blizzard from Abomasnow-M*
• Seed Flare from Shaymin-Sky

 

[finally]

Some that I use for defensive benchmark
252+ parental bond mega kanga return
Banded 252+ brave bird from talonflame

 

[Audiosurfer]

coulda swore i had return there, mb. added now

edit: updated w/ a few new speed tiers and with some less relevant tiers removed for easier reading

 

[BlakDragon]

How's about adding Overheat from Mega Charizard Y (powered by sun of course) as a defensive benchmark?

 

[Mizuhime]

How's about adding Overheat from Mega Charizard Y (powered by sun of course) as a defensive benchmark?

Does anything actually want to take that regardless

 

[youngjake93]

Does anything actually want to take that regardless

Dragonite, Suicune, Flash Fire, Politoed, Goodra
That might be about it lol

 

[BlankZero]

Doesn't it have the same power as LO Deo A Psycho Boost though?

pwne edit: roughly, but a different type (youd let your cress tank psycho boost, you would not let your cress tank overheat)

 

[BlakDragon]

Does anything actually want to take that regardless

Indeed, not a lot of things want to take such a powerful move in the first place.

I still think it should still be in the list of benchmarks because it's such a powerful nuke of a move, that it may do
quite a bit of damage even to things that resist fire attacks, especially if they aren't running defensive builds.
If you have to switch in something that resists fire to take the hit, it should have health to spare
to potentially survive MCY's partner's follow-up attack.

Overheat will also leave them at -2 special attack so you can use that penalty of theirs to your advantage
to try and gain momentum (back).

 

[BlankZero]

252+ SpA Mega Charizard Y Overheat vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Arceus in Sun: 348-409 (78.3 - 92.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ SpA Life Orb Deoxys-A Psycho Boost vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Arceus: 355-419 (79.9 - 94.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

So ya, little less powerful actually, so the DeoA Calc is still a better benchmark overall, unless you're planning on using Cress to tank everything lol.

Still scary to think there's something out there hitting that hard without dying to Cresselia's Icy Wind.

 

[BlankZero]

Could we add Max HP Kanga to defensive, and Fake Out+Return to offensive?

Max HP Kanga is viable due to living Jolly LO CC from Terrakion (might actually be Jolly Sash but I'll Calc when I get home), while most Kanga aim to kill things with a fake out+return combo (most Rotom-W build for this actually and not accounting for Burn either).

 

[BLOOD TOTEM]

Could we add Max HP Kanga to defensive, and Fake Out+Return to offensive?

Max HP Kanga is viable due to living Jolly LO CC from Terrakion (might actually be Jolly Sash but I'll Calc when I get home), while most Kanga aim to kill things with a fake out+return combo (most Rotom-W build for this actually and not accounting for Burn either).

It's Jolly Sash but yah I support this, especially since 252 HP Khan is actually the most used in the doubles meta according to the stats.

plus it's a real bitch to face #bankanga

 

[Audiosurfer]

Could we add Max HP Kanga to defensive, and Fake Out+Return to offensive?

done, thanks for the suggestion :) if any other users have some potential benchmark ideas just lemme know and i'll assess them

 

[BlankZero]

776 Speed is Skymin Tailwind.

Considering it gets the move and can make use of it (especially if you can find someone else to run Earth Power), I think it's relevant. If anything, it would make it the fastest mon in the tier that doesn't need outside support to get there.

 

[Ace2014]

I would add Belly Drum Azumarill Aqua Jet/Play Rough to the list of Physical benchmarks I've noticed from playing a bit that I am sweeping where I shouldnt be and with all these ground, dragons, fire and rock types around it would be a reasonable benchmark maybe

 

[Arcticblast]

I've added some stuff to the speed tiers. I can't remember everything I added in the last few months, but in the last 24 hours I've added the following:
421 / Landorus-T / 91 / Neutral / 252 / 1
412 / Suicune / 85 / Neutral / 0 / 2
206 / Suicune / 85 / Neutral / 0 / 0

I know Suicune usually runs a bit of Speed investment (@Lolk?) but I figured since it has the same base Speed as Cress I might as well throw 0 Speed Suicune in (+2 for Tailwind). I considered adding base 50+ (Mawile and Azumarill) but a glance at the usage stats told me it wasn't worth it - neither of those Pokemon ever run 252 in Speed, let alone a positive nature.

This is also a plug for this thread because once you get to the later stages of teambuilding this is the best thread in the forum.

 

[Lolk]

Nah I have never seen a reason to run Speed on Cune other than to creep Cress a wee bit. It hits some pretty sweet defensive benchmarks if you use all of the EVs in bulk.

Cune benchmarks are important tho cause it is Tailwind Jesus tho, so nice catch :)

Idk about the 252 Adamant Scarf set. 180 is all it needs to outspeed Mega Gengar, that is a good enough deadline imo or 212 for mega nectric if that freaks you out

 

[Arcticblast]

<Arcticblast> I know I've run 252 Adamant Landorus before
<Arcticblast> because I got lazy
<Pwnemon> ur a shit tho
<Arcticblast> and didn't remember how much Speed it needed for Mega Manectric
<Arcticblast> and regardless I'd much rather EV a Ludicolo (for example) to outrun 252 Adamant Scarf Landorus
<Pwnemon> yeah
<Arcticblast> than EV it for the 180 variant and get smacked by a faster U-turn
<Pwnemon> the rule is to always EV for max
<lucariojr> ^
<Lolk> o
<Lolk> k
<Lolk> :)

 

[Audiosurfer]

Actually speed is used on cune with its offensive set so I might list that too.

 

[Stratos]

Important note cstick reminded me to mention: everything rounds down when affected by things that would turn them into non-integers. So a Kangaskhan (328 spe) at -1 has 218 Spe despite the unrounded value being 218.66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666...

 

[AuraRayquaza]

Just a nitpick, min hp latios is listed twice on defensive benchmarks

 

[AuraRayquaza]

Audiosurfer

I dont know if this has been updated for ORAS but wouldnt it be worth bolding the 350 speed tier now, with the new megas it seems like a benchmark

 

[Audiosurfer]

Audiosurfer

I dont know if this has been updated for ORAS but wouldnt it be worth bolding the 350 speed tier now, with the new megas it seems like a benchmark

It hasn't been updated for ORAS yet, I'l get on that later

 

[Stratos]

fwiw AuraRayquaza the info of this thread is now in the Q&A sticky's OP