This begs the question, of course, as to whether a Suspect is OU until proven Uber, or Uber until proven OU, or how a dead heat like this is broken. I'm also curious as to how people are defining "Uber" in this vote. Does "Shaymin-S is Uber" mean "Shaymin-S is broken"? I doubt it. "Broken" as we normally use the word (and the word itself is terribly OU) means something like "so powerful that there is no reasonable way to deal with it". If we allowed Mewtwo in OU, for example, that would be "broken". However, "Uber" and "broken" are not necessarily synonyms. I suspect that for a number of Ubers voters (the more knowledgeable ones, certainly, like imperfectluck) Shaymin-S is Uber because it is luck-based rather an skill-based. Ubers is a ban list, and the argument is that a pokemon does not to be overpowered ("broken") to be banned, only undesirable. I put users (such as darknessmalice) who think Skymin is genuinely overpowered in a different category. I think the close vote shows that there is no community consensus on whether Skymin is fit for OU. I think it also demonstates that Skymin is not broken, however, since the vote would not be nearly so close if say, Mewtwo was a Suspect (Garchomp is probably a better example). My point is that I see three parties in this vote, with two different definitions of Uber: people who define "Uber" as "overpowered" and consider Skymin overpowered (like darknessmalice, please correct me if I'm misconstruing your position), people who define "Uber" as "undesirable in the standard metagame" and consider Skymin haxy and therefore undesirable (like IPL, again, correct me if I misunderstand) and people who define "Uber" as "overpowered" and do not find Skymin to be overpowered (like me, Legacy Raider, or Chou Toshio). Now, this is the only Suspect that I can really see having this issue (except perhaps SR, since some people argue "SR is overpowered!" while others argue "SR produces an undesirable metagame!"), yet the philosophical issue is still present. What makes a pokemon Uber? Does it need to be overpowered, or only undesirable?