anyone play magic?

[Candelia]

okay so i'm being a classical idiot and planning on making all 1,008+ Pokemon into Magic the Gathering cards because why the hell not.

here's a slight preview that's actually not part of the set, it's a seperate project lmao

gonna list the compleated(get it?) mons on this post for now:

Bulbasaur (1G)
Creature - Plant Beast
Chlorophyll - When this creature enters the battlefield, you may pay {G}. If you do, it gains haste.
(1/2)
Ivysaur (2G)
Creature - Plant Beast
Next Evolution - 1G: If you control and own a card named Bulbasaur, you may exile it. If you do, you may cast this spell for its Next Evolution cost, and it enters the battlefield with an additional +1/+1 counter on it. Counters placed on Bulbasaur previously are also applied.
Chlorophyll - When this creature enters the battlefield, you may pay {G}. If you do, it gains haste.
Grass Pledge - {T}: Ivysaur deals 3 damage to target creature or planeswalker. If you used the Fire Pledge or Water Pledge abilities last turn or this turn, it deals 6 damage to any target instead.
(3/3)
Venusaur (3GG)
Creature - Plant Beast
Next Evolution - 2G: If you control and own a card named Ivysaur, you may exile it. If you do, you may cast this spell for its Next Evolution cost, and it enters the battlefield with an additional +1/+1 counter on it. Counters placed on Ivysaur previously are also applied.
Chlorophyll - When this creature enters the battlefield, you may pay {G}. If you do, it gains haste.
Frenzy Plant - 3G, {T}: Venusaur deals 5 damage to all creatures your opponents control, then Venusaur gains a stun counter.
(4/5)
Charmander (1R)
Creature - Lizard
Blaze - When this creature takes damage equal to its toughness minus 1, it gets +3/+0 until your next end step.
2/2
Charmeleon (RRR)
Creature - Lizard
Next Evolution - 1R: If you control and own a card named Charmander, you may exile it. If you do, you may cast this spell for its Next Evolution cost, and it enters the battlefield with an additional +1/+1 counter on it. Counters placed on Charmander previously are also applied.
Blaze - When this creature takes damage equal to its toughness minus 1, it gets +3/+0 until your next end step.
Fire Pledge - {T}: Charmeleon deals 3 damage to target creature or planeswalker. If you used the Grass Pledge or Water Pledge abilities last turn or this turn, it deals 6 damage to any target instead.
4/3
Charizard (2RRR)
Creature - Dragon (LETS FUCKING GO HE FINALLY DID IT)
Flying
Next Evolution - 2RR: If you control and own a card named Charmeleon, you may exile it. If you do, you may cast this spell for its Next Evolution cost, and it enters the battlefield with an additional +1/+1 counter on it. Counters placed on Charmander previously are also applied.
Blaze - When this creature takes damage equal to its toughness minus 1, it gets +3/+0 until your next end step.
Blast Burn - Charizard deals 5 damage to all creatures your opponents control, then Charizard gains a stun counter.
6/4

 

[ThatOneSpork]

I am a casual enjoyer of magic, haven't ever actually done a game though. All the cards I own are also from... 2018? Idk, it was the egyptian/desert themed expansion and the one just before that. I'm pretty excited to see this though, if there's any way I can help please let me know.

 

[Candelia]

I am a casual enjoyer of magic, haven't ever actually done a game though. All the cards I own are also from... 2018? Idk, it was the egyptian/desert themed expansion and the one just before that. I'm pretty excited to see this though, if there's any way I can help please let me know.

picking abilities and moves to implement would be a life-saver, it saves me a ton of work in the long run xD

 

[ThatOneSpork]

I'll try my best but please don't expect too much, I'll start thinking about this tomorrow.

 

[earl]

where is the power and toughness

edit: also the last ability would never be printed due to memory issues

 

[Ironmage]

I've considered getting into MTG which because of my criteria for getting into a large tabletop game means I know more rules than is reasonable for someone who's never played.

Pokken feels like a good inspiration for relevant mons, since I feel it does a good job of translating a mon's playstyle to a different format. Off the top of my head, Gardevoir runs CM/Stored Power, Chandelure Will-o-wisp/Hex, Scizor SD/bullet punch, and Empoleon has spare HM usage.

I feel like it's a good idea to figure out common mechanics that need to get added. I'm not actually convinced that includes typing. Very few mons directly interact with typing as a whole, and the method isn't really shared between them (Genesect has an attack, Porygon a status move, Kecleon two abilities with different triggers). Here's my list of what to consider:

1. Major status: Poison/Paralysis/etc.. Probably needs to be handled with counters applied to creatures. You might be able to work Sleep/Freeze (not that anything specializes in the latter) into the tapped state, Burn can be a power reduction, and I think Last Strike was a thing in some un-set but seems like it would work fine in regular play. That leaves Poison left, and I don't have a great idea for it. I'm aware poison counters exist, but they do something completely different and MTG isn't really set up for damage-over-time.
2. Weather/terrain. The default effect could probably be wrapped into the setter's text, but it gets awkward once we bring in abusers (which will happen with the Paradox mons, among others). The most direct translation would be to create something (token enchantments?) for the conditions that the abusers can point to, but that feels clunky. Should the abusers then
   • reference the setters by name (while a card named Miraidon, Iron Serpent is on the battlefield ...)?
   • reference the ability (while a creature with Drought is on the battlefield ...)?
   • reference the effect the weather/terrain provides (While [self] has vigilance ..., assuming sleep=tap so electric terrain=no sleep=doesn't tap)?
3. Entry hazards. This could just be my personal bias, but I expect this would be unavoidable for Kleavor, Samurott-H, and Glimmora even if you found a way around the likes of Skarmory and Forretress. Given cards like Caltrops hit attacking creatures, my idea for working in hazards looks like this:
   • Token Artifact -- Hazard
   • [tap] -- Deal 1 damage to target attacking creature

misc ideas for specific mons/moves/abilities

Magearna: The ability and signature move flow really well into each other. Get charge counters when creatures die, spend them for big damage.

Calyrex and Kyruem: Feels like they should be Merge cards. Merge triggers should probably be on Reshiram/Zekrom/Glastrier/Spectrier so that the base doesn't end up with two very similar lines of text. Necrozma is harder to implement, since a straight merge misses out on Ultra.

Magnet Pull/Arena Trap: Is an activated ability with "target [artifact/non-flying] creature blocks [self]" a reasonable implementation of trapping? Regardless, Wobbuffet's version of Shadow tag may need to be different from Gothitelle/Gengar-Mega due to the rest of its gimmick.

Wobbuffet: Speaking of, if the order of operations can be sorted out with a possible limitation on initiating attacks, I could see setting its power to that of whatever it is currently fighting.

Rapid Spin/Mortal Spin/Defog: Taking the idea of hazards as token artifacts, it would then mean that Spin (used by Foretress, Glimmora, potentially Baltoy/Claydol and/or Cloyster) can destroy artifact tokens of a particular opponent, while defog (corviknight's the prime user given its GMax effect) can clear tokens more generally (since it also destroys screens and terrains, which feel more Enchantment-like) and indiscriminately.

Zoroark: Should Illusion be implemented as a Morph-like effect where it gets played face down?

Regenerator: It feels like a "return to hand" effect works as both healing and switching out. Maybe just for mons with strong pivot moves (Cyclizar creates a 0/1 token to block with?)

 

[Candelia]

where is the power and toughness

edit: also the last ability would never be printed due to memory issues

that i forgor it :skull:

My man's a 5/3 :P

 

[misterdarvus]

No, magic isn't real and I only read the thread title

 

[Candelia]

I've considered getting into MTG which because of my criteria for getting into a large tabletop game means I know more rules than is reasonable for someone who's never played.

Pokken feels like a good inspiration for relevant mons, since I feel it does a good job of translating a mon's playstyle to a different format. Off the top of my head, Gardevoir runs CM/Stored Power, Chandelure Will-o-wisp/Hex, Scizor SD/bullet punch, and Empoleon has spare HM usage.

I feel like it's a good idea to figure out common mechanics that need to get added. I'm not actually convinced that includes typing. Very few mons directly interact with typing as a whole, and the method isn't really shared between them (Genesect has an attack, Porygon a status move, Kecleon two abilities with different triggers). Here's my list of what to consider:

1. Major status: Poison/Paralysis/etc.. Probably needs to be handled with counters applied to creatures. You might be able to work Sleep/Freeze (not that anything specializes in the latter) into the tapped state, Burn can be a power reduction, and I think Last Strike was a thing in some un-set but seems like it would work fine in regular play. That leaves Poison left, and I don't have a great idea for it. I'm aware poison counters exist, but they do something completely different and MTG isn't really set up for damage-over-time.
2. Weather/terrain. The default effect could probably be wrapped into the setter's text, but it gets awkward once we bring in abusers (which will happen with the Paradox mons, among others). The most direct translation would be to create something (token enchantments?) for the conditions that the abusers can point to, but that feels clunky. Should the abusers then
   • reference the setters by name (while a card named Miraidon, Iron Serpent is on the battlefield ...)?
   • reference the ability (while a creature with Drought is on the battlefield ...)?
   • reference the effect the weather/terrain provides (While [self] has vigilance ..., assuming sleep=tap so electric terrain=no sleep=doesn't tap)?
3. Entry hazards. This could just be my personal bias, but I expect this would be unavoidable for Kleavor, Samurott-H, and Glimmora even if you found a way around the likes of Skarmory and Forretress. Given cards like Caltrops hit attacking creatures, my idea for working in hazards looks like this:
   • Token Artifact -- Hazard
   • [tap] -- Deal 1 damage to target attacking creature

misc ideas for specific mons/moves/abilities

Magearna: The ability and signature move flow really well into each other. Get charge counters when creatures die, spend them for big damage.

Calyrex and Kyruem: Feels like they should be Merge cards. Merge triggers should probably be on Reshiram/Zekrom/Glastrier/Spectrier so that the base doesn't end up with two very similar lines of text. Necrozma is harder to implement, since a straight merge misses out on Ultra.

Magnet Pull/Arena Trap: Is an activated ability with "target [artifact/non-flying] creature blocks [self]" a reasonable implementation of trapping? Regardless, Wobbuffet's version of Shadow tag may need to be different from Gothitelle/Gengar-Mega due to the rest of its gimmick.

Wobbuffet: Speaking of, if the order of operations can be sorted out with a possible limitation on initiating attacks, I could see setting its power to that of whatever it is currently fighting.

Rapid Spin/Mortal Spin/Defog: Taking the idea of hazards as token artifacts, it would then mean that Spin (used by Foretress, Glimmora, potentially Baltoy/Claydol and/or Cloyster) can destroy artifact tokens of a particular opponent, while defog (corviknight's the prime user given its GMax effect) can clear tokens more generally (since it also destroys screens and terrains, which feel more Enchantment-like) and indiscriminately.

Zoroark: Should Illusion be implemented as a Morph-like effect where it gets played face down?

Regenerator: It feels like a "return to hand" effect works as both healing and switching out. Maybe just for mons with strong pivot moves (Cyclizar creates a 0/1 token to block with?)

I had a few ideas for good ol' 001-003:
Bulbasaur (1G)
Creature - Plant Beast
Chlorophyll - When this creature enters the battlefield, you may pay {G}. If you do, it gains haste.
(1/2)
Ivysaur (2G)
Creature - Plant Beast
Next Evolution - 1G: If you control and own a card named Bulbasaur, you may exile it. If you do, you may cast this spell for its Next Evolution cost, and it enters the battlefield with an additional +1/+1 counter on it. Counters placed on Bulbasaur previously are also applied.
Chlorophyll - When this creature enters the battlefield, you may pay {G}. If you do, it gains haste.
Grass Pledge - {T}: Deal 3 damage to target creature or planeswalker. If you used the Fire Pledge or Water Pledge abilities last turn or this turn, this deals 6 damage to any target instead.
(3/3)
Venusaur (3GG)
Creature - Plant Beast
Next Evolution - 2G: If you control and own a card named Ivysaur, you may exile it. If you do, you may cast this spell for its Next Evolution cost, and it enters the battlefield with an additional +1/+1 counter on it. Counters placed on Ivysaur previously are also applied.
Chlorophyll - When this creature enters the battlefield, you may pay {G}. If you do, it gains haste.
Frenzy Plant - 3G, {T}: Venusaur deals 5 damage to all creatures your opponents control, then Venusaur gains a stun counter.
(4/5)

 

[Ironmage]

I'll admit that at first the evolution setup felt unexciting compared to filling out the individual mons more, but it occurred to me that this is an example of the most basic evolution. How reasonable is it to give Ninjask a high evolution cost (possibly adding Black to an otherwise mono-Green creature) and have Shedinja as a token created when that cost is used?

 

[antemortem]

why did you start near the end? you missed sooo many pokemons, like Tympole

 

[Candelia]

why did you start near the end? you missed sooo many pokemons, like Tympole

nah, izanami isn't part of this lol

 

[Candelia]

I'll admit that at first the evolution setup felt unexciting compared to filling out the individual mons more, but it occurred to me that this is an example of the most basic evolution. How reasonable is it to give Ninjask a high evolution cost (possibly adding Black to an otherwise mono-Green creature) and have Shedinja as a token created when that cost is used?

that honestly works really well

now the current issue is picking moves for anything that isn't a starter, since they'll all have the Pledges and Frenzy Plant/Blast Burn/Hydro Cannon, albeit in different ways.

or maybe just the mons without exclusive moves will in that category.
Wonder Guard would be easy. Make Shedinja GB and give it Hexproof and Indestructible, and make em like a 5/1
Speed Boost and Infiltrator is another issue. Maybe Speed Boost could be "pay this cost to give this creature first strike", but I don't have anything for Infiltrator.

 

[Ironmage]

Getting a good reference for Infiltrator feels like it's dependent on what the representations for screens and substitute are. The first thing that came to mind would be blocking tokens, which would then make Infiltrator some kind of anti-block tech. For Ninjask (as well as the Zubat, Hoppip, and Noibat lines), this could just be Flying.

 

[Candelia]

Getting a good reference for Infiltrator feels like it's dependent on what the representations for screens and substitute are. The first thing that came to mind would be blocking tokens, which would then make Infiltrator some kind of anti-block tech. For Ninjask (as well as the Zubat, Hoppip, and Noibat lines), this could just be Flying.

so how would drought and/or blaze work i wonder

 

[CyberBearIV]

Drought could make blue spells cost more mana to cast for five turns after the creature with Drought enters the battlefield (Maybe also give red creatures +1/+1 during those five turns), and Heat Rock could be an equipment that extends it to eight turns. Blaze could give the creature with it get +3/+3 if it took whatever its toughness is minus one until end of turn.

Drought - For five turns after this creature enters the battlefield, blue spells cost

more to cast (Maybe it should be

instead). Red creatures get +1/+1, and blue creatures get -2/-0.

Blaze - If this creature took (toughness minus 1) damage this turn, it gets +3/+0 until end of turn.

 

[Candelia]

so toaster fucked up and realized their HA was solar power

so i did blaze

 

[ThetaCentauri]

No. The magic are not in playoff contention.

 

[Ironmage]

Here's my personal list of most iconic moves for a given mon. If I skip over a mon, it's either because nothing comes to mind or I don't think what does is mechanically interesting. Varies from "actual signature move" to very clearly subjective.

gen 1

Skipping the starters because their development is already in progress.

Given how much Quiver Dance is going to be strained by every other butterfly mon, I think I'd go with a status powder here to mirror its GMax attack.
Twinneedle. Probably Double Strike?
Feather Dance
Super Fang is potentially interesting, though the more exclusive Hyper Fang isn't.
Glare
Mouse gets no credit for favoritism Wild Charge
Rising Voltage
Petal Dance
I'd go with Sludge Wave as a spread move here since Sheer Force special attacks have come to define the two mons
Aurora Veil
Hyper Voice
Supersonic
Poison Fang
Spore
Apparently this gets Air Slash by evolution? Probably still Poison Powder or Quiver Dance
Pay Day. Treasure tokens?
Extreme Speed
Raging Fury
Hypnosis
Focus Punch
Teleport
Kinesis
Explosion
Amnesia
Shell Side Arm
Magnet Rise
Tri Attack
Pursuit
Spike Cannon
Lick
Explosion
Chloroblast
Barrage
Bonemerang. More Double Strike?
Poison Gas
Horn Drill
Softboiled
Smokescreen
Rapid Spin's a contender, but not mandatory
Barrier/Light Screen/Reflect
Lovely Kiss
Raging Bull
Surf
Transform, though likely made redundant by Imposter
I could see referencing Evoboost as something that requires all 5 mana colours
Acid Armour
Pin Missile
Sharpen
Rest, possibly Recycle?
Thundrous Kick. For whatever reason, only Zapdos gets to reliably have a secondary effect.
Extreme Speed
Psystrike is at least unique in Pokemon, but I'm not sure how well that would translate
Any particular move isn't iconic, but the sheer amount is

gen 2

Flame Wheel
Eruption
Infernal Parade
Comet Punch
Toxic Thread
Wish
Future Sight
Petal Dance
Belly Drum
Cotton Spore
Morning Sun
Moonlight
Chilly Reception
Eerie Spell
Pain Split
Hidden Power
Counter, Mirror Coat
Rapid Spin
Spikes
Headbutt is now relevant with Serene Grace
Iron Tail
Barb Barrage
Bullet Punch. Probably First Stike?
Wrap
Pin Missile
Beat Up
Present
Spikes
Rollout
Conversion 2
Sketch
Triple Kick
Milk Drink
Softboiled
Sacred Fire

gen 3

Muddy Water
Extreme Speed
powder or Quiver Dance, as usual
Endeavour
Water Sport
Quiver Dance, Silver Wind, or Sticky Web
Spore
Mach Punch
Slack Off
Giga Impact
Boomburst
Smelling Salts or Arm Thrust
Assist
Fake Tears
Head Smash, though usually Rock Head makes it less exciting
Meditate
Helping Hand
Tail Glow
GrassWhistle
Water Spout
Magic Coat
Teeter Dance
Cosmic Power
Rapid Spin
Weather Ball
Encore
Ice Ball
Clamp
Meteor Mash
Superpower, Curse, Explosion
Mist Ball
Luster Purge
Water Spout
Eruption
Dragon Ascent
Doom Desire
Psycho Boost

gen 4

Brave Bird
Quick Attack
Head Smash
Metal Burst
Defend Order
Follow Me
Double Hit
Rain Dance, Gyro Ball
Mimic
Chatter
Force Palm
Aura Sphere
Acupressure
Beat Up
Magnet Rise
Rollout
Horn Drill, Rock Wrecker
Air Slash
Ancient Power
Conversion
Magnet Bomb
Mystical Power
Roar of Time. Force end the turn feels funny here, but may be hard to reconcile with the recharge
Magma Storm
Crush Grip
Shadow Force
Lunar Dance, Lunar Blessing
Take Heart
Heart Swap
Dark Void
Seed Flare
Judgement

Gen 5

V-Create
Leaf Tornado
Heat Crash
Ceaseless Edge
Retaliate
Assist
Flame Burst
Scald
Hypnosis
Dream Eater
Wild Charge
Heal Pulse
Circle Throw
Baton Pass
Cotton Guard
Victory Dance
Flare Blitz
Shell Smash
Bulk Up
Psycho Shift
Toxic Spikes
Night Daze
Bitter Malice
Tail Slap
Hurricane
Horn Leech
Volt Switch
Rage Powder
Electroweb
Gyro Ball
Shift Gear, Gear Up, Magnetic Flux, Gear Grind
Will-o-Wisp, Flame Burst, Hex
Outrage
Snap Trap
U-turn
Fling, Shadow Punch
Sucker Punch
Head Charge
Esper Wing
Fire Lash
Flame Charge
Firey Dance
Sacred Sword
Bleakwind Storm
Wildbolt Storm
Fusion Flare
Fusion Bolt
Sandsear Storm
Glaciate, Ice Shock, Freeze Burn
Secret Sword
Relic Song
Techno Blast, U-turn

gen 6

Spiky Shield
Mystical Fire
Water Shuriken, Mat Block
Brave Brid, Flare Blitz
Powder
Noble Roar
Light of Ruin
Parting Shot
King's Sheild
Aromatic Mist
Topsy-Turvy, Superpower
Water Pulse, Aura Sphere
Electrify
Head Smash
Aurora Veil
Hyper Voice
Flying Press
Nuzzle
Shelter
Crafty Shield, Fairy Lock
Forest's Curse
Trick-or-Treat
Avalanche
Mountain Gale
Boomburst
Geomancy
Oblivion Wing
Thousand Arrows, Thousand Waves, Core Enforcer. I think there's enough here already to drop Land's Wrath
Diamond Storm
Hyperspace Hole
Hyperspace Fury
Steam Eruption

Gen 7

Spirit Shackle
Triple Arrows
Fake Out, U-turn
Sparkling Aria
fury attack
Beak Blast
Pursuit
Zap Cannon
Ice Hammer
Revelation Dance
Pollen Puff:
Accelrock
Tearful Look
Baneful Bunker
Solar Blade
Spotlight, Strength Sap
Toxic
Trop Kick
Floral Healing
Instruct
Fling
Struggle Bug
First Impression
Shore Up
Counter, Purify
Multi-Attack
Shell Smash
Sleep Talk
Shell Trap
Psychic Fangs
Anchor Shot
Clanging Scales, Clangorous Soul
Nature's Madness
Drain Punch
High Jump Kick
Prismatic Laser
Photon Geyser
Fleur Cannon
Spectral Thief
Draco Meteor
Trick Room, Gyro Ball, Body Press
Mind Blown
Plasma Fists
Double Iron Bash

gen 8

Grassy Glide, Drum Beating
You know what, screw you. You don't get featured on this list, because your main move is Pyro Ball and it's lame as hell. Because that's what you wanted, right? To be a basic-ass mon so that when new players see this game they can't tell that there's any depth to the mechanics. That's what wide appeal means after all: dumbing crap down until it loses what made it worth discussing.
Snipe Shot
Stuff Cheeks
Defog
So the GMax sets gravity, but then the regular mon can't learn Gravity regularly?
Cotton Spore
Jaw Lock
Tar Shot
Grav Apple
Apple Acid
Dive
Overdrive
Fire Spin
Octolock
Teatime
Magic Powder
False Surrendur
Block
Meteor Assault
Decorate
No Retreat
Quiver Dance
Expanding Force
Aura Wheel
Bolt Beak
Fishious Rend
Steel Beam
Dragon Darts
Behemoth Blade
Body Press, Behemoth Bash
Eternabeam, Dynamax Cannon
Wicked Blow, Surging Strikes
Thunder Cage
Dragon Energy
Psyshield Bash
Stone Axe
Headlong Rush
Last Respects--unconfirmed
Dire Claw
Barb Barrage
springtide storm

gen 9

Flower Trick
Torch Song
Aqua Step
Silk Trap
First Impression
Double Shock, Revival Blessing
Population Bomb
Salt Cure
Armor Cannon
Bitter Blade
Hurricane
Jaw Lock
Doodle
Spore
Spicy Extract
Speed Swap, Revival Blessing
:espartha:Stored Power
Gigaton Hammer
Triple Dive
Flip Turn, Jet Punch
Spin out. As a complete aside, should it get Vehicle synergy?
Shed Tail
Mortal Spin
Last Respects
Fillet Away
Order Up
Rage Fist
Twin Beam
Hyper Drill
Sucker Punch, Kowtow Cleave
Wish
Flame Charge
Steel Roller
Fiery Dance
Glaive Rush
Make it Rain. Should there me more Treasure token stuff for this line?
Ruination
Hydro Steam
Psyblade

 

[Candelia]

Here's my personal list of most iconic moves for a given mon. If I skip over a mon, it's either because nothing comes to mind or I don't think what does is mechanically interesting. Varies from "actual signature move" to very clearly subjective.

gen 1

Skipping the starters because their development is already in progress.

Given how much Quiver Dance is going to be strained by every other butterfly mon, I think I'd go with a status powder here to mirror its GMax attack.
Twinneedle. Probably Double Strike?
Feather Dance
Super Fang is potentially interesting, though the more exclusive Hyper Fang isn't.
Glare
Mouse gets no credit for favoritism Wild Charge
Rising Voltage
Petal Dance
I'd go with Sludge Wave as a spread move here since Sheer Force special attacks have come to define the two mons
Aurora Veil
Hyper Voice
Supersonic
Poison Fang
Spore
Apparently this gets Air Slash by evolution? Probably still Poison Powder or Quiver Dance
Pay Day. Treasure tokens?
Extreme Speed
Raging Fury
Hypnosis
Focus Punch
Teleport
Kinesis
Explosion
Amnesia
Shell Side Arm
Magnet Rise
Tri Attack
Pursuit
Spike Cannon
Lick
Explosion
Chloroblast
Barrage
Bonemerang. More Double Strike?
Poison Gas
Horn Drill
Softboiled
Smokescreen
Rapid Spin's a contender, but not mandatory
Barrier/Light Screen/Reflect
Lovely Kiss
Raging Bull
Surf
Transform, though likely made redundant by Imposter
I could see referencing Evoboost as something that requires all 5 mana colours
Acid Armour
Pin Missile
Sharpen
Rest, possibly Recycle?
Thundrous Kick. For whatever reason, only Zapdos gets to reliably have a secondary effect.
Extreme Speed
Psystrike is at least unique in Pokemon, but I'm not sure how well that would translate
Any particular move isn't iconic, but the sheer amount is

gen 2

Flame Wheel
Eruption
Infernal Parade
Comet Punch
Toxic Thread
Wish
Future Sight
Petal Dance
Belly Drum
Cotton Spore
Morning Sun
Moonlight
Chilly Reception
Eerie Spell
Pain Split
Hidden Power
Counter, Mirror Coat
Rapid Spin
Spikes
Headbutt is now relevant with Serene Grace
Iron Tail
Barb Barrage
Bullet Punch. Probably First Stike?
Wrap
Pin Missile
Beat Up
Present
Spikes
Rollout
Conversion 2
Sketch
Triple Kick
Milk Drink
Softboiled
Sacred Fire

gen 3

Muddy Water
Extreme Speed
powder or Quiver Dance, as usual
Endeavour
Water Sport
Quiver Dance, Silver Wind, or Sticky Web
Spore
Mach Punch
Slack Off
Giga Impact
Boomburst
Smelling Salts or Arm Thrust
Assist
Fake Tears
Head Smash, though usually Rock Head makes it less exciting
Meditate
Helping Hand
Tail Glow
GrassWhistle
Water Spout
Magic Coat
Teeter Dance
Cosmic Power
Rapid Spin
Weather Ball
Encore
Ice Ball
Clamp
Meteor Mash
Superpower, Curse, Explosion
Mist Ball
Luster Purge
Water Spout
Eruption
Dragon Ascent
Doom Desire
Psycho Boost

gen 4

Brave Bird
Quick Attack
Head Smash
Metal Burst
Defend Order
Follow Me
Double Hit
Rain Dance, Gyro Ball
Mimic
Chatter
Force Palm
Aura Sphere
Acupressure
Beat Up
Magnet Rise
Rollout
Horn Drill, Rock Wrecker
Air Slash
Ancient Power
Conversion
Magnet Bomb
Mystical Power
Roar of Time. Force end the turn feels funny here, but may be hard to reconcile with the recharge
Magma Storm
Crush Grip
Shadow Force
Lunar Dance, Lunar Blessing
Take Heart
Heart Swap
Dark Void
Seed Flare
Judgement

Gen 5

V-Create
Leaf Tornado
Heat Crash
Ceaseless Edge
Retaliate
Assist
Flame Burst
Scald
Hypnosis
Dream Eater
Wild Charge
Heal Pulse
Circle Throw
Baton Pass
Cotton Guard
Victory Dance
Flare Blitz
Shell Smash
Bulk Up
Psycho Shift
Toxic Spikes
Night Daze
Bitter Malice
Tail Slap
Hurricane
Horn Leech
Volt Switch
Rage Powder
Electroweb
Gyro Ball
Shift Gear, Gear Up, Magnetic Flux, Gear Grind
Will-o-Wisp, Flame Burst, Hex
Outrage
Snap Trap
U-turn
Fling, Shadow Punch
Sucker Punch
Head Charge
Esper Wing
Fire Lash
Flame Charge
Firey Dance
Sacred Sword
Bleakwind Storm
Wildbolt Storm
Fusion Flare
Fusion Bolt
Sandsear Storm
Glaciate, Ice Shock, Freeze Burn
Secret Sword
Relic Song
Techno Blast, U-turn

gen 6

Spiky Shield
Mystical Fire
Water Shuriken, Mat Block
Brave Brid, Flare Blitz
Powder
Noble Roar
Light of Ruin
Parting Shot
King's Sheild
Aromatic Mist
Topsy-Turvy, Superpower
Water Pulse, Aura Sphere
Electrify
Head Smash
Aurora Veil
Hyper Voice
Flying Press
Nuzzle
Shelter
Crafty Shield, Fairy Lock
Forest's Curse
Trick-or-Treat
Avalanche
Mountain Gale
Boomburst
Geomancy
Oblivion Wing
Thousand Arrows, Thousand Waves, Core Enforcer. I think there's enough here already to drop Land's Wrath
Diamond Storm
Hyperspace Hole
Hyperspace Fury
Steam Eruption

Gen 7

Spirit Shackle
Triple Arrows
Fake Out, U-turn
Sparkling Aria
fury attack
Beak Blast
Pursuit
Zap Cannon
Ice Hammer
Revelation Dance
Pollen Puff:
Accelrock
Tearful Look
Baneful Bunker
Solar Blade
Spotlight, Strength Sap
Toxic
Trop Kick
Floral Healing
Instruct
Fling
Struggle Bug
First Impression
Shore Up
Counter, Purify
Multi-Attack
Shell Smash
Sleep Talk
Shell Trap
Psychic Fangs
Anchor Shot
Clanging Scales, Clangorous Soul
Nature's Madness
Drain Punch
High Jump Kick
Prismatic Laser
Photon Geyser
Fleur Cannon
Spectral Thief
Draco Meteor
Trick Room, Gyro Ball, Body Press
Mind Blown
Plasma Fists
Double Iron Bash

gen 8

Grassy Glide, Drum Beating
You know what, screw you. You don't get featured on this list, because your main move is Pyro Ball and it's lame as hell. Because that's what you wanted, right? To be a basic-ass mon so that when new players see this game they can't tell that there's any depth to the mechanics. That's what wide appeal means after all: dumbing crap down until it loses what made it worth discussing.
Snipe Shot
Stuff Cheeks
Defog
So the GMax sets gravity, but then the regular mon can't learn Gravity regularly?
Cotton Spore
Jaw Lock
Tar Shot
Grav Apple
Apple Acid
Dive
Overdrive
Fire Spin
Octolock
Teatime
Magic Powder
False Surrendur
Block
:sirfetchMeteor Assault
Decorate
No Retreat
Quiver Dance
Expanding Force
Aura Wheel
Bolt Beak
Fishious Rend
Steel Beam
Dragon Darts
Behemoth Blade
Body Press, Behemoth Bash
Eternabeam, Dynamax Cannon
Wicked Blow, Surging Strikes
Thunder Cage
Dragon Energy
Psyshield Bash
Stone Axe
Headlong Rush
Last Respects--unconfirmed
Dire Claw
Barb Barrage
springtide storm

gen 9

Flower Trick
Torch Song
Aqua Step
Silk Trap
First Impression
Double Shock, Revival Blessing
Population Bomb
Salt Cure
Armor Cannon
Bitter Blade
Hurricane
Jaw Lock
Doodle
Spore
Spicy Extract
Speed Swap, Revival Blessing
:espartha:Stored Power
Gigaton Hammer
Triple Dive
Flip Turn, Jet Punch
Spin out. As a complete aside, should it get Vehicle synergy?
Shed Tail
Mortal Spin
Last Respects
Fillet Away
Order Up
Rage Fist
Twin Beam
Hyper Drill
Sucker Punch, Kowtow Cleave
Wish
Flame Charge
Steel Roller
Fiery Dance
Glaive Rush
Make it Rain. Should there me more Treasure token stuff for this line?
Ruination
Hydro Steam
Psyblade

blunt goblin commentary time

for these two I'd see it as a modal type card or just a straight transformation, that's pretty much a requirement.

These three are very different in how they work, so I'd say only gets Pay Day, the other two would get something else funky.

i could be a dick and make bonemarang a dice roller if i'm entirely honest

and before i go on (as its lagging the shit outta my toaster), how do i decide colors for anything that isnt grass, fire, or water

 

[Candelia]

and i might forgo the "work by generation" thing because i really hate the first two gens for how boring they are

which gen do I work on first is the question

 

[ThatOneSpork]

Gen 3, and as for other typings uhhh... Ghost/Dark are obvious (black), Psychic I'd associate with blue, Steel I'd say is white/red, Electric is red/blue, Normal is white, Fighting white/red, Rock/Ground red, Poison black, Flying blue/white, dragon is anything, Fairy is anything, Bug is green, Ice blue. That might be it. I will say, I do think the color is less "oh grass is green and fighting is white so those 2" and more "What's the combination?". Can't think of any specifics rn but I'd base it more off of how the 2 colors and types feel together along with the vibe of the mon as opposed to a cut and dry this is that way of coloring.

 

[Candelia]

wot's the nat dex number for treecko again

 

[Candelia]

sorry i couldn't resist

note: couldn't find good art because my computer sucks lmao

 

[Ironmage]

Gen 3, and as for other typings uhhh... Ghost/Dark are obvious (black), Psychic I'd associate with blue, Steel I'd say is white/red, Electric is red/blue, Normal is white, Fighting white/red, Rock/Ground red, Poison black, Flying blue/white, dragon is anything, Fairy is anything, Bug is green, Ice blue. That might be it. I will say, I do think the color is less "oh grass is green and fighting is white so those 2" and more "What's the combination?". Can't think of any specifics rn but I'd base it more off of how the 2 colors and types feel together along with the vibe of the mon as opposed to a cut and dry this is that way of coloring.

I think that in addition to white for the more mundane Normal mons, the Normal mons that emphasize being able to switch types (e.g. Porygon, Ditto, Eevee, Silvally) should probably be colourless.

Colourless has also been used for an eldritch, beyond normal understanding thing as well, I think? Might fit with some of the Dragon legendaries like Eternatus, Guzzlord, and Necrozma-Ultra. Maybe even the gen 4 spacetime trio.