XY Little Cup: New Choice Band/Specs Users

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Choice Band/Specs in XY Little Cup

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In every era of Little Cup since Generation IV, the only Choice item to see any kind of prominent use has been the Choice Scarf, allowing Pokemon to gain a Speed advantage over foes right off the bat, which offered the chance to check and knock out foes that a given mon otherwise may not have been able to overcome. It became increasingly popular as it began finding use alongside U-turn users, who could then serve as either a speedy attacker or a scout that maintained momentum for its team, depending on the situation at the time. The viability of Choice Scarf was even further expanded in Generation V with the addition of Volt Switch, a move that served the same function as U-turn but offered different distribution and allowed a new handful of contenders to take advantage of the tactic.

Choice Band and Choice Specs, on the other hand, offered an immediate increase in Attack and Special Attack, respectively, and have never been deemed widely usable. Most players and Pokemon researchers agreed that the downside of Choice items (being locked into the first move you select) was not worth the restriction on attacking unless you were either scouting for your team or revenge-killing an enemy—two things that Choice Scarf allowed but Band/Specs did not. But the main thing that put a stopper in their use was the existence of Life Orb, which allowed a 30% boost to all attacks while having freedom to use different moves, with the downside being a small loss of health after every successful hit. The difference in the power boost granted by Life Orb and Band/Specs was considered negligible, especially with the scaled down mechanics of Little Cup where Pokemon are only Level 5.

However, XY brings with it a few new toys and metagame changes that may very well change this idea. There are Pokemon this generation that have incredible power and are extremely potent when allowed to achieve full potency with the use of a Choice Band or Choice Specs... they have access to U-turn/Volt Switch, they have useful offensive options, and they aren't slow! Without any further ado, let's have a look at some of the mons that can show how Choice Band/Specs can pack a major punch this generation!






Bunnelby @ Choice Band
Ability: Huge Power
Level: 5
EVs: 228 Atk / 220 Spd / 52 Def
Jolly Nature
- Return
- Earthquake
- U-turn
- Quick Attack

This thing hits incredibly hard without even needing to run an Attack boosting nature. With the given EVs, it has an adequate 16 Speed stat and a monstrous 26 Attack stat (it's 13 but its Huge Power ability doubles it), with which it can crush the opposition with its STAB Return. Quick Attack from this set is the ultimate revenge-killing machine, finishing things off from health ranges that other Pokemon can only dream of; it even wipes out Murkrow in a single hit after Stealth Rock damage. Earthquake is there to beat down the Rock- and Steel-types who are immune to its STAB, and results in a definite OHKO on the wide array of things it hits super-effectively. U-turn rounds out the set perfectly and allows Bunnelby to nail the popular physical walls Tangela and Slowpoke for hard super-effective damage before bringing in something to finish them off. It also has incredible utility in general while scoring impressive chip damage on anything while switching out, even if it's resisted. Bunnelby isn't the best at taking hits, so players will have to use it conservatively, but it is certain to leave huge dents in the opponent if played to the extent of its incredible offensive potential. Underestimate this thing and you will cry.


Taillow @ Choice Specs
Ability: Scrappy
Level: 5
EVs: 36 HP / 200 SAtk / 240 Spd
Timid Nature
- Boomburst
- Air Slash
- U-turn
- Hidden Power [Fighting]

Boomburst is a new move introduced this generation and Taillow happens to be the only Pokemon eligible for Little Cup with access to it. It has a phenomenal Base Power of 140 (equal to the power of Draco Meteor last generation) with no drawback, it even hits through Substitutes, and Taillow gets STAB from it. Even with Taillow's appallingly low base Special Attack of 30, Boomburst completely obliterates everything with Choice Specs equipped. Nothing can even think of switching in, not even Ghosts, because of the Scrappy ability. Now I know what you're thinking: Why not Guts + Toxic Orb + Facade? With the sheer popularity of priority attacks in XY Little Cup, the use of Toxic Orb only drains Taillow's health and makes it easier to kill off via priority with every passing turn. With Boomburst, you can clean up the opponent's team late game and be able to survive that important priority hit before sending the user of it to its doom. With the given spread, Taillow hits a Speed stat of 19 and therefore will not be easily outsped at all, especially since it's immune to Sticky Web and not many Pokemon are faster than that under usual conditions. Specs Taillow is definitely a fast and powerful threat and is not to be overlooked in XY Little Cup.


Noibat @ Choice Specs
Ability: Frisk
Level: 5
EVs: 236 Spd / 236 SAtk / 36 HP
Timid Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Hurricane
- U-turn
- Switcheroo

Noibat's disappointingly low stats originally led players astray from it in favor of Pokemon who appeared to have more promising foundations to build upon. A closer look at its movepool and capabilities should be enough to make them think twice now. With Choice Specs attached, Noibat has a wide array of options it can deploy against the foe. STAB Draco Meteor and Hurricane deal severe damage even despite its sub-par base Special Attack and can leave huge holes in the opposing team with good prediction and careful play. Its passable 16 Speed with the given spread allows it to use U-turn to act as a scout, and its resistances to Grass, Fire, Water, Bug, and Fighting come in handy alongside its Ground immunity. Trick/Switcheroo has always been an interesting disruptive option used with Choice sets to have the option of switching items with a foe and crippling them for the remainder of the match, but the ability Frisk makes this tactic even better. Being able to know for sure what item your foes are carrying before you consider switching with them is a valuable edge that other Pokemon that run Choice sets do not possess, and offers amazing security in a battle in general, so you'll already know which Pokemon has the Berry Juice, Eviolite, Choice Scarf, and whatever else. These qualities make Noibat a versatile user of Choice Specs, and it deserves to be considered in the XY Little Cup metagame.



Elekid @ Choice Specs
Ability: Static
Level: 5
EVs: 236 Spd / 236 SAtk
Timid Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Volt Switch
- Psychic
- Hidden Power [Ice]

Rather than being a new concept, this Pokemon has discovered improved usefulness this generation with the coverage options it has access to, now that Pokemon like Croagunk and Gligar are popular contenders in the tier. Something Elekid has always had going for it (that never received the credit it deserved) is that its high Speed gives it a place in the rare 20 Speed tier, a cut above what is commonly acknowledged as the most coveted Speed tier that Murkrow and Gligar fall into, the 19 Speed tier. This incredible Speed alone assures it to outspeed even the threats who are considered to be the fastest, and deal massive damage to them with the correct move, or hit them hard and tag a teammate in with Volt Switch. HP Ice totally ends Gligar, a previously banned Pokemon that is wildly popular in XY Little Cup right now (especially due to Sneasel's ban), so it won't be switching in to block Elekid's STAB attacks freely at all. Elekid can even come in after Gligar has knocked something out, and strike first with HP Ice to bring it down even if it's running Jolly nature and maximum Speed. Psychic hits Fighting types especially hard, as well as Poison types. Meditite is another popular choice right now and it will have a rough time revenging Elekid with Bullet Punch because of its Steel resistance. Elekid's blazing Speed, in tandem with Choice Specs, allows it to hit very hard and fast while providing momentum for its team and keeping some of the current metagame's popular threats in check.


Misdreavus @ Choice Specs
Ability: Levitate
Level: 5
EVs: 240 SAtk / 240 Spd
Timid Nature
- Shadow Ball
- Hidden Power [Fighting]
- Trick
- Nasty Plot

As is the case with Elekid, this set is not exactly a new idea, but one that has improved usefulness in the new Little Cup metagame. The ability to use either a powerful and straightforward attack with an automatic Choice Specs boost is incredible with the unresisted Shadow Ball + HP Fighting coverage Misdreavus has been known to run over the generations. Like with Noibat's set mentioned earlier, this set has the added option of crippling a foe via Trick, which steals their item and forces them to hold Choice Specs to limit their attacking options. What makes this so significant this generation for a somewhat bulky/offensively based Pokemon like Misdreavus is the hype of the unbanned item Berry Juice. Many teams run multiple Pokemon that rely on Berry Juice, and Misdreavus can use Trick to steal them all and maintain its own health while crippling an enemy with Choice Specs and manhandling the opposition with its powerful Ghost / Fighting coverage. After it has gotten rid of its Choice Specs, Misdreavus can use Nasty Plot at the right moment to allow itself to power up and overwhelm the opponent's team with brute force. Special thanks to Electrolyte for suggesting this addition to the thread.


Keep in mind, these are just the sets I came up with and found to be the most suitable for me, but feel free to try these mons with new sets or even try out new ones with Band/Specs!


There are few other somewhat important things I'd like to point out about why Choice Band and Choice Specs can be used to good effect this generation, even if the power boost difference from Life Orb isn't very much. It can quite honestly make all the difference in crucial scenarios.


Priority Attacks

As was mentioned a bit in the Taillow segment, the gradual damage a Pokemon does to itself over time while using Life Orb only puts it further into KO range and makes it easier to revenge-kill, especially since there's no Eviolite to soften the blow. With Choice Band/Specs, a Pokemon gets more power than Life Orb, and can also find itself taking priority attacks better later in the game when it's trying to act as a cleaner, as its health isn't being chipped away by its own doing. Priority attacks are extremely widely used in Little Cup and you can expect them to be carried on every team.


Trick / Switcheroo

As it is in the case of Noibat, having the means to either fire off a powerful attack or cripple a foe by giving them your Choice item is an option that can come in handy quite often when you want to screw up a particularly annoying enemy Pokemon, while also taking the item they have and acquiring the ability to change moves whenever you want. Life Orb does not have anywhere near this kind of advantage with this tactic and sometimes giving your opponent a Choice Scarf is not the best idea, since then that Pokemon will have a Speed advantage against your entire team for the rest of the battle.


Sticky Web

A new move brought by Generation VI, Sticky Web is an entry hazard that causes a Speed drop to every grounded foe upon entering battle. Not only does this considerably lessen the need for the Choice Scarf, but it allows offense to work extremely well in general. So now, Pokemon who typically were used to being locked by a Choice item can convert their Speed buff to an Attack or Special Attack buff that doesn't eat at their health, with Sticky Web support from a teammate. For more information on this new move and how it might affect XY Little Cup, be sure to read Chieliee's Sticky Web thread.


(Special thanks to prem)

Be sure to give these sets a try! Do you think there are other Pokemon who could make use of Choice Band/Specs this generation? Discuss! ♥


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anyway i still dont see the special reason to use band or specs over life orb. like are the calcs taht much different? for taillow you can drop its health to 19 health and then use life orb and only take 1 damage while being able to move around. im honestly too lazy to do calcs myself cause i dont reemember spreads for anything but can someone give me a real reason to use band/specs over life orb.
 
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Goddess Briyella

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Choice Band/Specs is equivalent to +1, or a one stage boost. Life Orb is a little over half of that, but isn't quite as powerful as Choice Band/Specs. Band/Specs does more damage and doesn't gradually drain your health. U-turn and Volt Switch can be used so that you don't get in a jam, and also:

Priority Attacks

As was mentioned a bit in the Taillow segment, the gradual damage a Pokemon does to itself over time while using Life Orb only puts it further into KO range and makes it easier to revenge-kill, especially since there's no Eviolite to soften the blow. With Choice Band/Specs, a Pokemon gets more power than Life Orb, and can also find itself taking priority attacks better later in the game when it's trying to act as a cleaner, as its health isn't being chipped away by its own doing. Priority attacks are extremely widely used in Little Cup and you can expect them to be carried on every team.


Trick / Switcheroo

As it is in the case of Noibat, having the means to either fire off a powerful attack or cripple a foe by giving them your Choice item is an option that can come in handy quite often when you want to screw up a particularly annoying enemy Pokemon, while also taking the item they have and acquiring the ability to change moves whenever you want. Life Orb does not have anywhere near this kind of advantage with this tactic and sometimes giving your opponent a Choice Scarf is not the best idea, since then that Pokemon will have a Speed advantage against your entire team for the rest of the battle.


Sticky Web

A new move brought by Generation VI, Sticky Web is an entry hazard that causes a Speed drop to every grounded foe upon entering battle. Not only does this considerably lessen the need for the Choice Scarf, but it allows offense to work extremely well in general. So now, Pokemon who typically were used to being locked by a Choice item can convert their Speed buff to an Attack or Special Attack buff that doesn't eat at their health, with Sticky Web support from a teammate. For more information on this new move and how it might affect XY Little Cup, be sure to read Chieliee's Sticky Web thread.
 
The damage difference between choice items and life orb is very dependant on just how powerful the attack is and how defensive they are. For example, I ran calcs of a spec & orb boomburst vs a 236 SpDef 0 HP Munchlax. If munchlax wasn't running eviolite, then specs boomburst was a guarnateed 2hko, while life orb was a 2hko about 50% of the time. However when it did run eviolite, the damage difference was 1 HP (9-12 vs 10-13 i believe). So with that said, I do think that specs/band is very good on the likes of bunnelby with its sky high attack, and noibat with switcheroo and its massive bp moves, however I also think elekid and tailow would prefer the life orb (even if it does put them dead to more priority).
 
I've been using Specs Taillow all day, and it never disappoints. People think they are safe to switch their ghosts, like Misdreavus, in, and then get 2HKO'd by Boomburst. Though, Taillow does practically the same damage output regardless of LO or Specs, but as Briyella pointed out, Specs' overall better longevity has niche in not being so prone to priority.
 

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<%Furai> !dmg taillow 31 252+ 5 @ Choice Specs | misdreavus 31:31 0/236 5 @ eviolite | boomburst
<CDXCIV> Taillow's Boomburst vs Misdreavus (1 - 1 HP) Damage: 4.55% - 4.55%
<%Furai> DOMMAGE

But on a more serious note, Specs and Band are really lackluster this generation, where momentum and perfect prediction are drastically more important. It is incredibly difficult for any Pokemon to use any Non-Scarf choice item because of the fact that Speed is just so much more important than power right now and Little Cup Pokemon rely more on coverage moves than power to hit past things anyway. Arguably, the best "user" of Choice Specs right now is most likely Trick + Specs + Nasty Plot Misdreavus, who I'm surprised you didn't mention, Briyella. The Missy set takes advantage of the fact that Specs are now more of a burden than anything else to most of the Pokemon in the tier and can easily wreck opposing momentum in one swift move.


Radioactive (Misdreavus) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Levitate
Level: 5
EVs: 28 Def / 240 SAtk / 240 Spd
Timid Nature
- Nasty Plot
- Shadow Ball
- Hidden Power [Fighting]
- Trick

So I was pretty crazy about this set late last Gen but it's pretty damn good in XY as well. This set is really good at screwing with every released Pokemon in LC, since they all despise Specs. In a tier filled with Berry Juice reliant Pokemon, Trick is also awesome, since you can nab opponent's Berry Juices, consume it, and steal another Berry Juice- kind of like a food guzzling machine. After Trick shenanigans you can Nasty Plot and just sweep with Shadow Ball and HP Fighting, especially since Dark-types that wall Missy are virtually inexistent because of Fairies. +2 Shadow Ball just plows through the Eviolite-lacking tier and OHKOs everything past Berry Juice (but you can always just steal the BJ first) HP Fighting rounds off coverage and smacks Dark-types and shit hard. Shadow Ball hits Steels for the same as HP Fighting now anyway so it's not even that necessary lol. This set is awesome because all of the meta changes have really worked in its favor and made it even more frightening than it was last gen. Plus, Sneasel being gone once again makes Misdreavus one of the fastest viable Pokemon in the tier, tieing with Murkrow (who is not common at all anymore) and Gligar (who can't do shit to Missy). This is an awesome set that I recommend everyone to use.
 

Goddess Briyella

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The Specs Misdreavus set is indeed great. ♥

I'm confused about why Electrolyte has 28 Def EVs in its spread, because it doesn't affect its Defense its all. I'm going to remove that in the thread so it doesn't confuse anyone as to why it's there. 240/240 in special offense doesn't leave enough EVs to raise anything by a stat point.
 
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I would like to add Amaura to the list. Though it is has by far the worst typing defensively, choice specs gives it the means to slaughter the opposition.


Amaura @ Choice Specs
Ability: Snow Warning
Level: 5
EVs: 220 SAtk / 176 SDef / 40 Def / 72 Spd
Timid Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Ancient Power/Hidden Power [Rock]
- Blizzard
- Dark Pulse

EDIT: Snow warning is unreleased. Refrigerate should obviously be the ability then.
 
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I would like to add Amaura to the list. Though it is has by far the worst typing defensively, choice specs gives it the means to slaughter the opposition.


Amaura @ Choice Specs
Ability: Snow Warning
Level: 5
EVs: 220 SAtk / 176 SDef / 40 Def / 72 Spd
Timid Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Ancient Power/Hidden Power [Rock]
- Blizzard
- Dark Pulse
Why not use freeze dry over thunderbolt? It hits everything that you'd use tbolt for, but with more power.
 

Goddess Briyella

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I would like to add Amaura to the list. Though it is has by far the worst typing defensively, choice specs gives it the means to slaughter the opposition.


Amaura @ Choice Specs
Ability: Snow Warning
Level: 5
EVs: 220 SAtk / 176 SDef / 40 Def / 72 Spd
Timid Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Ancient Power/Hidden Power [Rock]
- Blizzard
- Dark Pulse
I'd like to express that while this set is indeed powerful, Amaura's large amount of weaknesses means that running Choice Scarf for the much needed Speed is generally a much better option, so that it can effectively use its offensive power granted by its STABs without being let down so easily by the defensive drawbacks of its typing.

Also, Snow Warning is not released for Amaura yet; it is illegal.
 

Goddess Briyella

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Why not use freeze dry over thunderbolt? It hits everything that you'd use tbolt for, but with more power.
I found out recently that the move Freeze Dry is available to Amaura's evolution, but not Amaura. So, while this would definitely be a great idea if it were legal, it is unfortunately not possible. :(
 
ive been thinking of a Meditite billed
something like
Pure Power
Choice Band

Ice Punch
Drain Punch
trick
Bullet Punch
im going to run tests today or the next day
 

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Goddess Briyella, is there any reason not to use HP Water instead of Fighing for Taillow? Scrappy Normal/Water has perfect neutral coverage in the tier IIRC.
 
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<%Furai> !dmg taillow 31 252+ 5 @ Choice Specs | misdreavus 31:31 0/236 5 @ eviolite | boomburst
<CDXCIV> Taillow's Boomburst vs Misdreavus (1 - 1 HP) Damage: 4.55% - 4.55%
<%Furai> DOMMAGE
252 SpA Choice Specs Taillow Boomburst vs. 0 HP / 236 SpD Eviolite Misdreavus: 10-13 (45.4 - 59%) -- 93.8% chance to 2HKO

he didn't include Scrappy in his calc, but for some reason CDXCIV's calc doesn't work with Scrappy anyways.

At any rate, Specs Taillow sounds bad to me. First off, you could just run a Life Orb set, which, as others have noted, deals quite comparable damage for the most part with much less risk involved. For example, in the previous calc, Taillow had a good chance to 2HKO Misdreavus that switch in. With Life Orb:

252 SpA Life Orb Taillow Boomburst vs. 0 HP / 236 SpD Eviolite Misdreavus: 9-12 (40.9 - 54.5%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO

A chance still exists, while Stealth Rock guarantees it. You could also just run a Guts set anyways:

252 Atk Guts Taillow Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Misdreavus: 16-19 (72.7 - 86.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

This is far more reliable anyways, considering you Speed tie with Misdreavus and really shouldn't risk dying to a Thunderbolt most of the time. This means that you're dealing with a Misdreavus at about a quarter of its health at best in case you stay in and lose the Speed tie or switch out, which is obviously far better than a Misdreavus at half its health. You're also giving up on the second strongest Quick Attack in LC if you run Specs (or any special set), so I don't really see a huge benefit there in general.

Choice Band Bunnelby is also way inferior to Life Orb sets in my experience. Choice Band does allow it to hit a bit harder, but the ability to switch between Quick Attack and Return allows it to simultaneously wallbreak and revenge kill, making it difficult to defensive and offensive teams alike to keep up with it. It also obviously allows it to smack around Steel- and Rock-types with Earthquake when necessary. To me, the worst part about Choice Band Bunnelby is that you're forced to lock into either a Normal- or Ground-type move in order to stay in and keep attacking, which is incredibly exploitable in a tier packed full of Flying-types/Levitate Pokemon with Ghost-types also being fairly common. This is a nightmare for offensive teams that can't really check anything defensively, and it can often mean sacrificing something when you could have just stayed in and used the appropriate attack with Life Orb.

Specs Misdreavus is legit though. I'd say as a rule of thumb that if it doesn't have Trick/Switcheroo, you should probably just run Life Orb.
 
What I like the most about Choice Specs Taillow is the fact that I don't need to as frequently worry about killing myself. Since I'm spamming a single move anyways, the less self inflicted recoil (Brave Bird + Orb, Life Orb) gives me more switch ins and lets me tank more priority. The benefit of Choice Specs is not the added damage in this case, but instead the added HP, that lets you tank common attacks even with Taillow's abysmal bulk, including Murkrow's Sucker Punch most of the time, Meditite's Bullet Punch 100% of the time after Stealth Rock, Croagunk's Fake Out + Vacuum Wave (even after Stealth Rock almost all of the time), etc. Not immediately getting castrated by priority is worth locking myself into the one move I would use, anyways.

(Also, Choice Specs Timid Taillow gets 12 * 1.5 Special Attack = 18, whereas Life Orb = 12 * 1.3 which rounds down to 15. This actually makes a significant difference in some calcs)
 
About Tailow specs (very good IMHO), I hope to be not wrong but I think (caused to HP Fiighting) it's possible to fix the evs. A possible adjust could be the same:

EVs: 40 HP / 200 SAtk / 240 Spd
 

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