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WCoP Administrative Decisions
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Ruft has decided to step down from his position as Captain of Team Europe. We Three Kings has been promoted to replace him.
RE: Eject Pack + Magician / Pickpocket Interaction
Recent research has revealed that this interaction is currently coded incorrectly on Pokemon Showdown - the abilities are not supposed to trigger on the same attack that triggers the Eject Pack.
To avoid potentially punishing any teams that may have planned and prepared their Round 1 games around this interaction, Round 1 will be brought to completion with the incorrect interaction allowed.
For any round after the end of Round 1 - including any potential tiebreakers - bringing Eject Pack + Magician / Pickpocket will result in an immediate game loss until the interaction is fixed (another announcement will be posted here then).
Recent research has revealed that this interaction is currently coded incorrectly on Pokemon Showdown - the abilities are not supposed to trigger on the same attack that triggers the Eject Pack.
To avoid potentially punishing any teams that may have planned and prepared their Round 1 games around this interaction, Round 1 will be brought to completion with the incorrect interaction allowed.
For any round after the end of Round 1 - including any potential tiebreakers - bringing Eject Pack + Magician / Pickpocket will result in an immediate game loss until the interaction is fixed (another announcement will be posted here then).
RE: Eject Pack + Magician, Part 2
The bug is now fixed on Smogtours - the tournament continues as normal with no further restrictions. Players are allowed to bring the combination again (but probably shouldn't, given how much weaker it is since this bugfix)
(Also, a small note: the interaction with Pickpocket works, but it's different given the nature of Pickpocket only triggering on enemy attacks. My previous post was incorrect in looping it in.)
The bug is now fixed on Smogtours - the tournament continues as normal with no further restrictions. Players are allowed to bring the combination again (but probably shouldn't, given how much weaker it is since this bugfix)
(Also, a small note: the interaction with Pickpocket works, but it's different given the nature of Pickpocket only triggering on enemy attacks. My previous post was incorrect in looping it in.)
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RE: Luispeikou vs FatFighter2 Scheduling Controversy
Timeline of events
On Tuesday, FatFighter2 agreed tentatively to 5PM +2 Saturday, saying "probably let's do that for now".
He then asked for a reschedule on Friday morning; Luispeikou did not agree, as the other weekend times he had previously offered had now been taken up by other commitments.
FatFighter2 had to figure out whether to sacrifice other IRL commitments to make the 5PM +2, or whether he is in a position to demand the reschedule, since he technically only agreed to 5PM +2 tentatively. Under normal circumstances, given that he did not give nearly enough forewarning, this ruling would have been pretty clear - the game stays at 5PM +2.
However, US Midwest reached out to the hosts at a time when we were unavailable. They then reached out to an uninvolved TD to get any kind of 'official' opinion. That TD lead them to believe that they had enough of a case to force a reschedule to either later Saturday, or Sunday.
I then wake up a couple of hours later and observe that this is not the case; Spain should be able to force 5PM +2 since it was the only time they managed to agree on by Friday. (This reading of the situation is agreed on by multiple other TDs afterwards.)
However, FatFighter2 has now taken other commitments for 5PM +2, following what they were led to believe by the uninvolved TD. He is unable to make the previously scheduled time.
Decision:
FatFighter2 was assured that he would be okay if he missed the 5PM +2 time by a Tournament Director. The Tournament Director's reading of the situation is starkly different from the one of the host team, but given that the original situation landed in a gray area, we do not find either FatFigher2 or the Tournament Director's actions to be clearly contradicting the rules. (Note the time was agreed on with a "probably, for now"; Luispeikou originally offered plenty of alternative weekend times; and it had not been communicated to Midwest that those times were not available anymore despite FatFighter2 implying at multiple times that he may end up needing to shift the schedule. These factors are why we believe this scenario to fall within a gray area.)
As such, we do not deem it appropriate to force US Midwest to provide a substitute for FatFighter2, given that they did not act in direct contradiction of the rules, and as a matter of fact they were made to believe that they could maybe even demand a reschedule; but they would have been able to make the original time, had their situation been communicated to them accurately.
Spain and Luispeikou are also clearly not at fault; they will be able, within reason, to demand a rescheduling that is favorable to them, including - potentially - an extraordinary extension past the Sunday deadline, or a double substitution if no satisfying times can be found.
I apologize on behalf of the WCoP host team and on behalf of the Tournament Director team for the issues caused by (1) the unavailability of the hosting team at a sensitive time when US Midwest reached out, and (2) the dubious reading of the situation that was provided in the moment.
The blame for this situation falls squarely on us and we are now doing our best to reach a sensible, neutral solution that is fair to both sides.
Timeline of events
On Tuesday, FatFighter2 agreed tentatively to 5PM +2 Saturday, saying "probably let's do that for now".
He then asked for a reschedule on Friday morning; Luispeikou did not agree, as the other weekend times he had previously offered had now been taken up by other commitments.
FatFighter2 had to figure out whether to sacrifice other IRL commitments to make the 5PM +2, or whether he is in a position to demand the reschedule, since he technically only agreed to 5PM +2 tentatively. Under normal circumstances, given that he did not give nearly enough forewarning, this ruling would have been pretty clear - the game stays at 5PM +2.
However, US Midwest reached out to the hosts at a time when we were unavailable. They then reached out to an uninvolved TD to get any kind of 'official' opinion. That TD lead them to believe that they had enough of a case to force a reschedule to either later Saturday, or Sunday.
I then wake up a couple of hours later and observe that this is not the case; Spain should be able to force 5PM +2 since it was the only time they managed to agree on by Friday. (This reading of the situation is agreed on by multiple other TDs afterwards.)
However, FatFighter2 has now taken other commitments for 5PM +2, following what they were led to believe by the uninvolved TD. He is unable to make the previously scheduled time.
Decision:
FatFighter2 was assured that he would be okay if he missed the 5PM +2 time by a Tournament Director. The Tournament Director's reading of the situation is starkly different from the one of the host team, but given that the original situation landed in a gray area, we do not find either FatFigher2 or the Tournament Director's actions to be clearly contradicting the rules. (Note the time was agreed on with a "probably, for now"; Luispeikou originally offered plenty of alternative weekend times; and it had not been communicated to Midwest that those times were not available anymore despite FatFighter2 implying at multiple times that he may end up needing to shift the schedule. These factors are why we believe this scenario to fall within a gray area.)
As such, we do not deem it appropriate to force US Midwest to provide a substitute for FatFighter2, given that they did not act in direct contradiction of the rules, and as a matter of fact they were made to believe that they could maybe even demand a reschedule; but they would have been able to make the original time, had their situation been communicated to them accurately.
Spain and Luispeikou are also clearly not at fault; they will be able, within reason, to demand a rescheduling that is favorable to them, including - potentially - an extraordinary extension past the Sunday deadline, or a double substitution if no satisfying times can be found.
I apologize on behalf of the WCoP host team and on behalf of the Tournament Director team for the issues caused by (1) the unavailability of the hosting team at a sensitive time when US Midwest reached out, and (2) the dubious reading of the situation that was provided in the moment.
The blame for this situation falls squarely on us and we are now doing our best to reach a sensible, neutral solution that is fair to both sides.
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Re: Charmflash & Team Austria
After Captains had been selected and announced for WCOP 2024, non-captain members of Team Austria reached out to the TD team to inquire why they were not included, which resulted from Charmflash alerting me that Austria had insufficient interest and could not form a team due to multiple players expressing interest in not playing this year and his cocaptain expressing an interest to quit Pokemon altogether.
However, the claim about not being able to field enough players was directly countered by other members of Team Austria, as they provided a full roster of eligible players still interested in participating in the tournament, whereas Charmflash had ignored a ping in Team Austria’s Discord as well as DMs from players questioning why they weren’t selected until he was approached about this by me today. Because he unilaterally withdrew the team without consulting the rest of the players who were still interested in competing, we are hereby banning Charmflash from competing in WCOP 2024, as well as banning him from managing official team tournaments in the future for the impropriety exhibited by neglecting to consult his team prior to saying they’d be withdrawing. Further, Team Austria will be allowed to compete in WCOP 2024.
After Captains had been selected and announced for WCOP 2024, non-captain members of Team Austria reached out to the TD team to inquire why they were not included, which resulted from Charmflash alerting me that Austria had insufficient interest and could not form a team due to multiple players expressing interest in not playing this year and his cocaptain expressing an interest to quit Pokemon altogether.
However, the claim about not being able to field enough players was directly countered by other members of Team Austria, as they provided a full roster of eligible players still interested in participating in the tournament, whereas Charmflash had ignored a ping in Team Austria’s Discord as well as DMs from players questioning why they weren’t selected until he was approached about this by me today. Because he unilaterally withdrew the team without consulting the rest of the players who were still interested in competing, we are hereby banning Charmflash from competing in WCOP 2024, as well as banning him from managing official team tournaments in the future for the impropriety exhibited by neglecting to consult his team prior to saying they’d be withdrawing. Further, Team Austria will be allowed to compete in WCOP 2024.
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