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Counter: NDM
Check: Calyrex-SR
Unconventional Pick: Gardevoir
Check: Calyrex-SR
Unconventional Pick: Gardevoir
OK, ok, sorry for the wait, just got done with a fat fuckin post in the metagame discussion thread.
Anyways, let's see what we got here.
For the checks section, Xerneas wins with 6 votes. Congratuations to HydreigonTheChild.
For the counters section, Blissey wins on 4 votes. Congratulations to BasedWhat?
And finally, for unconventional pick, Jirachi wins with 6 votes. Congratulations to maplesyrup689.
You all get a point.
Anyway, onto our newest victim....
the embodiment of multiple cells gathered together to protect the enviroment, the guardian of the ecosystem, and most importantly, the pokemon that got ABSOLUTELY CUCKED out of an enhanced version.
That's right, it's Mr Big Boss Zygarde, in the flesh!
Zygarde @ Leftovers
Ability: Power Construct
EVs: 16 HP / 224 Atk / 36 Def / 232 Spe
Impish Nature
- Thousand Arrows
- Substitute
- Toxic
- Dragon Dance
With this most commmon variant of Zygarde, it gains the ability to grow more and more into a devastating sweeper, providing a brutal onslaught against teams that cannot truly damage it before it gets going. can you neutralize a pokemon with such incredible sweeping prowess?
Anyways, let's see what we got here.
For the checks section, Xerneas wins with 6 votes. Congratuations to HydreigonTheChild.
For the counters section, Blissey wins on 4 votes. Congratulations to BasedWhat?
And finally, for unconventional pick, Jirachi wins with 6 votes. Congratulations to maplesyrup689.
You all get a point.
Anyway, onto our newest victim....
the embodiment of multiple cells gathered together to protect the enviroment, the guardian of the ecosystem, and most importantly, the pokemon that got ABSOLUTELY CUCKED out of an enhanced version.
That's right, it's Mr Big Boss Zygarde, in the flesh!
Zygarde @ Leftovers
Ability: Power Construct
EVs: 16 HP / 224 Atk / 36 Def / 232 Spe
Impish Nature
- Thousand Arrows
- Substitute
- Toxic
- Dragon Dance
With this most commmon variant of Zygarde, it gains the ability to grow more and more into a devastating sweeper, providing a brutal onslaught against teams that cannot truly damage it before it gets going. can you neutralize a pokemon with such incredible sweeping prowess?
Zarude @ Leftovers
Ability: Leaf Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 120 SpD / 136 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Bulk Up
- Power Whip
- Darkest Lariat
- Jungle Healing
Zarude is a counter to Zygarde. The combination of Bulk Up and Jungle healing to heal and remove Toxic means Zarude can sit on Zygarde and turn it into set up fodder.
224 Atk Zygarde Thousand Arrows vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Zarude: 57-68 (13.7 - 16.4%) -- possibly the worst move ever
+1 224 Atk Zygarde Thousand Arrows vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Zarude: 86-102 (20.7 - 24.6%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 224 Atk Zygarde Thousand Arrows vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Zarude: 86-102 (20.7 - 24.6%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery
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Calyrex-Ice @ Leftovers / Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: As One (Glastrier)
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Icicle Spear / Glacial Lance
- Leech Seed
- Substitute
- Swords Dance / Aromatherapy
With base 100 HP and 150 Defense to brush off Thousand Arrows, and STAB Ice attacks to hit Zygarde's 4x weakness, Calyrex-Ice is a soft counter to Zygarde. Icicle Spear breaks Substitute and OHKOs Zygarde-50% with 3 hits (no need for 5 hit RNG). Leech Seed and Substitute allow Caly-Ice to recover health and annoy its checks like NDM and Ho-Oh. Swords Dance increases Caly-Ice's breaking power but Aroma can be used to remove Toxic if your team doesn't have a cleric.
224 Atk Zygarde Thousand Arrows vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Ice: 84-100 (20.7 - 24.7%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 224 Atk Zygarde Thousand Arrows vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Ice: 127-150 (31.4 - 37.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Calyrex-Ice Icicle Spear (3 hits) vs. 16 HP / 36+ Def Zygarde: 396-468 (109.6 - 129.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0 Atk Calyrex-Ice Glacial Lance vs. 16 HP / 36+ Def Zygarde: 648-768 (179.5 - 212.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 224 Atk Zygarde Thousand Arrows vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Ice: 127-150 (31.4 - 37.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Calyrex-Ice Icicle Spear (3 hits) vs. 16 HP / 36+ Def Zygarde: 396-468 (109.6 - 129.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0 Atk Calyrex-Ice Glacial Lance vs. 16 HP / 36+ Def Zygarde: 648-768 (179.5 - 212.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
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Garrett
Banned deucer.
Clefable @ Heavy-Duty Boots / Leftovers
Ability: Unaware / Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Soft-Boiled
- Aromatherapy
- Calm Mind / Knock Off / Stealth Rock
Clefable is an unconventional pick (by VR, despite some usage in UPL which is primarily Magic Guard) against Sub + Toxic + DD Zygarde. Both abilities work to deter it, though Unaware probably works best as Zygarde at +2 (+1 from switching in, +1 because it can take a Moonblast and transform--see calc below) can 2HKO Magic Guard variants.
224 Atk Zygarde Thousand Arrows vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 106-126 (26.9 - 31.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 16 HP / 0 SpD Zygarde: 204-242 (56.5 - 67%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 16 HP / 0 SpD Zygarde-Complete: 204-242 (35.3 - 41.9%) -- 83.4% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
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Xerneas @ Leftovers/Heavy-Duty-Boots
Ability: Fairy Aura
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Rest
- Aromatherapy
- Sleep Talk
So basically you switch Xerneas every time Zygarde come to the field and you press either Moonblast or Rest to have some health back and ignore Toxic. If Zygarde trys to spam Substitute you can OHKO at 50% even when he is transform and he needs +6 atacks to 1HKO you so thats pretty much the scenario.
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What better way to beat a Pokémon than itself? Defensive Zygarde is a counter to DD Zygarde. I will be highlighting the haze set as it's very reliable and a personal favourite but a traditional coil set works too.
Zygarde @ Leftovers
Ability: Power Construct
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Thousand Arrows
- Glare
- Haze
- Rest
Beating DD Zygarde lacking Dragon Tail is trivial. Simply Haze their boosts as they set up and Rest when the toxic damage ramps up (try to get off power construct first). Even if they correctly predict your Rest turn and Dragon Dance, they'll only get 2 attacks at +2.
+2 224 Atk Zygarde Thousand Arrows vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Zygarde: 151-178 (35.9 - 42.3%) -- 92.4% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 224 Atk Zygarde Thousand Arrows vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Zygarde-Complete: 151-178 (23.7 - 27.9%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 224 Atk Zygarde Thousand Arrows vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Zygarde-Complete: 151-178 (23.7 - 27.9%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
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My Unconventional Pick
Avalugg @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Level: 100
Impish Nature
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
- Avalanche
- Rest
- Roar/Sleep Talk
- Curse/Iron Defense
+4 224 Atk Zygarde Thousand Arrows vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Avalugg: 166-196 (42.1 - 49.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+6 224 Atk Zygarde Thousand Arrows vs. +1 252 HP / 252+ Def Avalugg: 147-174 (37.3 - 44.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+1 4 Atk Avalugg Avalanche vs. 16 HP / 36+ Def Zygarde: 336-396 (93 - 109.6%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
+1 4 Atk Avalugg Avalanche vs. 16 HP / 36+ Def Zygarde-Complete: 336-396 (58.2 - 68.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Run down: Come in before Zygrade snowball to at least +4, set up curses to tank the hits. Rest when at low health, as +6 will never 2HKO +1 Avalugg without crit. Avalanche is a great STAB option as its power will double, and Avalugg is going second anyway. Rest(Talk) is to counter the toxic/glare. Iron Defense is an alternative option to quickly outphase DD.
If you are really desperate, roar is also an option.
(RIP Prankster Haze and Hidden Power to dex cut)
Avalugg @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Level: 100
Impish Nature
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
- Avalanche
- Rest
- Roar/Sleep Talk
- Curse/Iron Defense
+4 224 Atk Zygarde Thousand Arrows vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Avalugg: 166-196 (42.1 - 49.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+6 224 Atk Zygarde Thousand Arrows vs. +1 252 HP / 252+ Def Avalugg: 147-174 (37.3 - 44.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+1 4 Atk Avalugg Avalanche vs. 16 HP / 36+ Def Zygarde: 336-396 (93 - 109.6%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
+1 4 Atk Avalugg Avalanche vs. 16 HP / 36+ Def Zygarde-Complete: 336-396 (58.2 - 68.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Run down: Come in before Zygrade snowball to at least +4, set up curses to tank the hits. Rest when at low health, as +6 will never 2HKO +1 Avalugg without crit. Avalanche is a great STAB option as its power will double, and Avalugg is going second anyway. Rest(Talk) is to counter the toxic/glare. Iron Defense is an alternative option to quickly outphase DD.
If you are really desperate, roar is also an option.
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Kyogre @ Leftovers
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Calm Mind
- Ice Beam
- Rest
+1 224 Atk Zygarde-Complete Thousand Arrows vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Kyogre: 139-165 (34.4 - 40.8%) -- 54.5% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 224 Atk Zygarde Thousand Arrows vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Kyogre: 186-219 (46 - 54.2%) -- 4.7% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 SpA Kyogre Ice Beam vs. 16 HP / 0 SpD Zygarde: 384-456 (106.3 - 126.3%)
0 SpA Kyogre Ice Beam vs. 16 HP / 0 SpD Zygarde-Complete: 384-456 (66.5 - 79%)
counter. all damage can be healed up thanks to rest, which means that zygod cant worn you down, not even with toxic.
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@ Heavy-Duty Boots Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 HP / 204 Def / 52 Spe
Impish Nature
- Ice Punch
- Lunge
- Bulk Up
- Roost
Buzzwole is able to tank any hit and ice punch to break the sub with ice punch and thousand arrows does not a lot in return. Even a +1 or +1 zygarde cannot do much. It is a counter
0 Atk Buzzwole Ice Punch vs. 16 HP / 36+ Def Zygarde-Complete: 216-256 (37.4 - 44.3%) -- 100% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
224 Atk Zygarde-Complete Thousand Arrows vs. 252 HP / 204+ Def Buzzwole: 36-42 (8.6 - 10%) -- possibly the worst move ever
Marshadow @ Leftovers
Ability: Technician
EVs: 184 Atk / 68 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Spectral Thief
- Drain Punch
- Ice Punch
- Bulk Up
Marshadow can bypass Zygarde’s substitute with Spectral Thief and steal any Dragon Dance boost it has accumulated while hitting it with this same boost back, netting a guaranteed 2HKO on Zygarde. Ice Punch is included to make it risky for Zygarde to switch into Marshadow at the risk of being OHKO’d. Bulk Up helps Marshadow survive a hit with Leftovers giving it passive healing along the way. Drain Punch gives Marshadow further longevity against Zygarde by sapping away at it’s health. 68 Def EVs taken from Atk are allotted to survive Thousand Arrows after one Bulk Up, as a boosted Ice Punch already OHKOs Zygarde.
Just come in before Zygarde or when it comes in and you’ll shred it easily.
Presenting Bulky Offensive Groudon as Check
Groudon @ Lum berry
Level: 100
Adamant Nature
Ability: Drought
EVs: 240 HP / 252 Atk / 16 Def
- Swords Dance
- Thunder Wave
- Precipice Blades
- Stone Edge
Precipice blades 2HKOes zygarde 75% of the time. Lum berry cures toxic thereby giving an additional turn if zygarde opts to toxic sub stall. Precipice blades is enough to break the substitutes of Zygarde-Complete. Just go on clicking precipice blades and watch the the embodiment of multiple cells gathered together to protect the enviroment, the guardian of the ecosystem, get destroyed
Groudon @ Lum berry
Level: 100
Adamant Nature
Ability: Drought
EVs: 240 HP / 252 Atk / 16 Def
- Swords Dance
- Thunder Wave
- Precipice Blades
- Stone Edge
Precipice blades 2HKOes zygarde 75% of the time. Lum berry cures toxic thereby giving an additional turn if zygarde opts to toxic sub stall. Precipice blades is enough to break the substitutes of Zygarde-Complete. Just go on clicking precipice blades and watch the the embodiment of multiple cells gathered together to protect the enviroment, the guardian of the ecosystem, get destroyed
252+ Atk Groudon Precipice Blades vs. 16 HP / 36+ Def Zygarde: 180-213 (49.8 - 59%) -- 74.2% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Groudon Precipice Blades vs. 16 HP / 36+ Def Zygarde-Complete: 180-213 (31.1 - 36.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
224 Atk Zygarde Thousand Arrows vs. 240 HP / 16 Def Groudon: 88-105 (21.9 - 26.1%) -- 5.7% chance to 4HKO (which is less than the chance of a critical hit)
252+ Atk Groudon Precipice Blades vs. 16 HP / 36+ Def Zygarde-Complete: 180-213 (31.1 - 36.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
224 Atk Zygarde Thousand Arrows vs. 240 HP / 16 Def Groudon: 88-105 (21.9 - 26.1%) -- 5.7% chance to 4HKO (which is less than the chance of a critical hit)
Presenting Ferrothorn as a Counter
Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Def
Impish nature
- Iron Defense
- Leech Seed
- Body Press
- Knock Off
-Can't be poisoned
-You will outsetup Zygarde-C
-The worst scenario is if you switch on a dd, but even invested in SpD it fails at 2HKO, you can setup iron defense easily, if invested it fails at 3HKO
+1 224 Atk Zygarde Thousand Arrows vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Ferrothorn: 108-127 (30.6 - 36%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
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Cramorant @ Heavy-Duty Boots / Choice Specs
Ability: Gulp Missile
EVs: 160 Def / 132 SpA / 216 Spe
Timid Nature
- Ice Beam
- Icy Wind
- Feather Dance
- Roost
The EVs let you outspeed zyg before it DDs. It has the highest SpA for Icy Wind to NOT trigger Power Construct after lefties and rest is dumped in def.
If it DDs on the switch you can just Icy Wind > Ice Beam to kill. If it subs at any point without poisoning you you still win.
If it attacks on the switch Feather Dance, heal and then kill it.
Getting toxiced on the switch is the worst case bc they can just keep subbing until they can kill you.
Choice Specs lets you OHKO it straight up but you lose to anything but Toxic on the switch if rocks are up (if rocks aren't up you always win)
132 SpA Cramorant Icy Wind vs. 16 HP / 0 SpD Zygarde: 168-200 (46.5 - 55.4%) -- 16% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
132 SpA Cramorant Ice Beam vs. 16 HP / 0 SpD Zygarde: 272-324 (75.3 - 89.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
132 SpA Cramorant Icy Wind vs. 16 HP / 0 SpD Zygarde-Complete: 168-200 (29.1 - 34.6%) -- 99.8% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
132 SpA Cramorant Ice Beam vs. 16 HP / 0 SpD Zygarde-Complete: 272-324 (47.1 - 56.1%) -- 20.7% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
224 Atk Zygarde-Complete Thousand Arrows vs. 0 HP / 160 Def Cramorant: 153-180 (54.4 - 64%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 224 Atk Zygarde-Complete Thousand Arrows vs. 0 HP / 160 Def Cramorant: 229-270 (81.4 - 96%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
-2 224 Atk Zygarde-Complete Thousand Arrows vs. 0 HP / 160 Def Cramorant: 76-91 (27 - 32.3%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
132 SpA Cramorant Ice Beam vs. 16 HP / 0 SpD Zygarde: 272-324 (75.3 - 89.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
132 SpA Cramorant Icy Wind vs. 16 HP / 0 SpD Zygarde-Complete: 168-200 (29.1 - 34.6%) -- 99.8% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
132 SpA Cramorant Ice Beam vs. 16 HP / 0 SpD Zygarde-Complete: 272-324 (47.1 - 56.1%) -- 20.7% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
224 Atk Zygarde-Complete Thousand Arrows vs. 0 HP / 160 Def Cramorant: 153-180 (54.4 - 64%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 224 Atk Zygarde-Complete Thousand Arrows vs. 0 HP / 160 Def Cramorant: 229-270 (81.4 - 96%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
-2 224 Atk Zygarde-Complete Thousand Arrows vs. 0 HP / 160 Def Cramorant: 76-91 (27 - 32.3%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
Edit: Run three other moves with Specs lol
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guess what you fuckin nerds im back and now you gotta vote
1 check, 2 counters, 2 unconventional picks, get to it
Checks
by 1729is56time
by SDK03
Counters
by Yourwelcomethanku
by rng loser
by FearNeverDies
Eledyr
by CursedStar
by HydreigonTheChild
by Ballfire
Unconventional Picks
by Mr Geets
by BasedWhat?
by maplesyrup689
1 check, 2 counters, 2 unconventional picks, get to it
Checks
by 1729is56time by SDK03Counters
by Yourwelcomethanku by rng loser by FearNeverDies Eledyr by CursedStar by HydreigonTheChild by BallfireUnconventional Picks
by Mr Geetsby BasedWhat?by maplesyrup689Groudon
Kyogre
Calyrex-Ice
Avalugg
Clefable
Kyogre
Calyrex-Ice
Avalugg
Clefable
Check: Marshadow
Counter: Ferrothorn, Buzzwole
Unconventional Picks: Avalugg, Cramorant
Counter: Ferrothorn, Buzzwole
Unconventional Picks: Avalugg, Cramorant
and 
as UPCheck: Groudon
Counter´s: Zarude-Dada and Calyrex-Ice
UP: Clefable and Cramorant
Counter´s: Zarude-Dada and Calyrex-Ice
UP: Clefable and Cramorant
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