For me, its been hard getting past 1200, as in lower levels, Enam is kinda busted. I normally don't have trouble getting to 1350-1450, but Tera Stellar Enam has been the bane of my existence. If you can't make progress, there isn't any motivation to play, and players who encounter that won't encourage new players to continue. Even though this is focused on the ladder, what happens pre-ladder is the most important, as that's where you can get better to compete with ladder players. If people encounter something very frustrating below the ladder, they won't be motivated to play, and therefore, they won't get better. Less ladder players means less unique points of view, which means less minds working on how to solve a severe meta threat and finding a way to beat it.
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Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Banned]
- Thread starter TPP
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What Knock will do to a Pokemon, like imagine if Kingambit ever got Knock Off, it would be quick banned.
What do we think of Venusaur as a Chlorophyll sweeper in this meta? I’ve played around with him a little, he provides useful speed control against other Protosynthesis/Booster Energy mons and forms a nice little FWG core with Wake and Paradoxtei. The Poison typing hurts when you really want Ground resistances on a Sun team.
So we'll be able to use it in just a few weeks.
Raging Bolt forces Enamorus out with Thunderclap, though it’s not swapping in without sacrificing a Mon.
I think Gourging Fire does pretty well, although it can be a guessing game with Burning Bulwark.
Yeah Moon is easily the hardest to deal with right now imo, tinkaton with balloon is actually a perfect counter if you can fit that on your team. Tinkaton also checks/counters darkrai, valiant, can encore + twave gouging fire locked into outrage, serperior, can twave + encore dhengo with mold breaker, also shits on Deo-S offensive sets, checks pult, lati, ogre before sd, zam although not the best check, meow and weavile get hard blocked, the list goes on. Big downside is tusk can switch in super easy and is everywhere, but another plus is you can rock on hatterene. Honestly seems like a pretty solid anti meta pick right now especially if you're worried about moon/darkrai/valiant/deo-s, twave (or knock) + encore + sr + play rough.
Thanks for the advice, I shall take it
Subpar? What are you smoking? Moon has never been considered subpar and has since the very start been a top meta swepper and on the radar
you better get your flithy paws off of my new no skill pokemon you bastard
i need my free elo for laddering and suspect alts
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I assume they're referring to when Moon dropped into UUBL for a while before DLC1 gave it Knock Off and got some major headaches for it banned like Baxcalibur as competition.
the standard av glowking set can comfortably live an earth power even at +1 tera stellar (and by "comfortably" i mean "not even in 2hko range sometimes") and do, at minimum, 97.5% with sludge bomb. i'd say it's one of the absolute best available answers to enamorus defensively, and synergizes very well with ting-lu and skarmory/zapdos to form a potent balance core that ended up dominating the last two metas. try it sometime!
It dropped to UU on October 1st
No, also, you could just say dirty hands, it sounds less weird
Oh, boy, I'm going to have to be patient aren't I, I'm not used to that.
CobsonYaoi
formerly Holesum420
Aren't there gonna be new Tera forms for Koraidon and Miraidon too? Since Terapagos-Stellar was practically Mega Rayquaza + Zygarde-100% I wonder if it'll push those two to Anything Goes.
That rumour is definitely fake
riddliar khu said there would be those in the dlc (and then, after they weren't, that they got "delayed"), but i'm pretty sure that was just him trying to cover his lying ass again, so i wouldn't count on it
speaking of koraidon and miraidon, but on a more ou-related note, has anyone been having any success with cyclizar? i feel like with so many newer, faster mons and a new spinner in excadrill it'll probably fall off even harder than it did before, but we also need hazard removal now more than ever and cyclizar is still the fastest somewhat-viable removal around. thoughts?
Bit late to the appreciation train but I love this this is a great gift. I have been trying to useI've been advocating for and using Morpeko since its introduction in Generation 8. I feel that it's one of the most underrated Pokemon and the best of the Pika clones competitively. Aura Wheel is effectively two STAB moves in one (Electric/Dark, 110 BP, 100% Acc) that boosts Morpeko's speed by one upon a successful hit (switches between the types turn by turn) and that particular STAB combination is very nice in this meta. Parting Shot allows Morpeko to maintain momentum while softening any incoming blows for teammates thanks to the -1 to both Attack and Special Attack that your opponent gets, while Rapid Spin is useful as always. The last slot is a toss-up depending on your team's specific needs, but the four options I've listed are all options that I've tooled around with that are quite useful. Super Fang will take down half of the HP of particularly immovable feeling threats like Dondozo, but STAB Knock Off pairs quite nicely with Morpeko's other utility tools. Taunt is also a great option to shut down slower defensive and utility threats, while Seed Bomb provides good coverage against some nasty OU threats.
Utility Parting Shot Spinner Morpeko
Morpeko @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Hunger Switch
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Aura Wheel
- Parting Shot
- Rapid Spin
- Super Fang / Knock Off / Taunt / Seed Bomb
in OU ever since DLC1 dropped and I used it in a 
meta 
.Mor Pecks Yo is one of my favourite mons, so glad to see a good player make a non-meme set on this! 
my opinions on the new pokemon
archaludon, or should i say assault vest ludon? Stamina + 130 defense means that this thing shrugs off all physical attacks, and assault vest rounds it to a respectable 97 SPdef. You can run it physically or specially, with 105/125 attacking stats. This has done a kingambit and shown that this is more then a reason to put eviolite on Duraludon. Only detractor is its middling speed, not enough for it to invest it all and become a fast boi, but too much to thrive in Trick room.
hydrapple is my bulky boy. regenerator + 106/110/80 bulk is lovely. And don’t forget 120 Special Attack, with a move that 30% of the time gets gigaton hammer power. Sure, it’s slow, but that didn’t stop anyone. Can see this becoming a Trick Room staple.
Paradox mon are all cool, Gouging Fire is the king of the sun as we all predicted it would be, rageing bolt is physical King with good bulk, one great attacking stat, and priority, iron boulder is a good rock type for the first time like ever (ttar don’t count), and crown is just stored power cheese.
Congrats to Pecharunt to opening Limbo up for the first time in forever.
archaludon, or should i say assault vest ludon? Stamina + 130 defense means that this thing shrugs off all physical attacks, and assault vest rounds it to a respectable 97 SPdef. You can run it physically or specially, with 105/125 attacking stats. This has done a kingambit and shown that this is more then a reason to put eviolite on Duraludon. Only detractor is its middling speed, not enough for it to invest it all and become a fast boi, but too much to thrive in Trick room.
hydrapple is my bulky boy. regenerator + 106/110/80 bulk is lovely. And don’t forget 120 Special Attack, with a move that 30% of the time gets gigaton hammer power. Sure, it’s slow, but that didn’t stop anyone. Can see this becoming a Trick Room staple.
Paradox mon are all cool, Gouging Fire is the king of the sun as we all predicted it would be, rageing bolt is physical King with good bulk, one great attacking stat, and priority, iron boulder is a good rock type for the first time like ever (ttar don’t count), and crown is just stored power cheese.
Congrats to Pecharunt to opening Limbo up for the first time in forever.
j0nathan
formerly trainer_j0nathan
I agree. Archaludon is such a great and healthy addition to the metagame and you can really use it in different ways. Electro Shot in Rain or maybe bulky with AV, Stamina and Body Press. Steel/Dragon is just such a good Typing too.
Dude was so shit that at one point the guy ended up in UU.
laddered up a new alt to get a feeling for the tier the other night, and i do have some thoughts but just wanted to comment on this darkrai discussion. darkrai is very much not mid lol, calling it mid is bad faith. darkrai in the current meta is quite good but is also quite manageable, mostly due to some of the offensive brokens around right now. there is 2-3 potential bans that i could see happening ~2 months that could effect darkrais viability. this doesnt make darkrai bad though, its still a top tier pokemon right now. just because it underperformed somes expectations and is tolerable in the current metagame does not make darkrai mid lol. its around A tier viability wise when im writing this, a mid pokemon would be B ish. who knows where things are at in a few months as well. simply put, its good but manageable.
So it was shit coz it was outclassed at what it wanted to do so badly it ended up in uu. lol.
real talk, why did they not buff dark void back up now that sketch can't copy it anymore? it's no longer a threat to vgc at all since darkrai isn't legal there. seems like the only one really prejudiced against darkrai here is game freak itself
If it isn't in VGC they actively do not give a shit and do not think it should be used at all.
i was hopeful that weavile would be able to work in OU after getting triple axel back, but meowscarada got triple axel too and so now I don't really see what weavile could do that meow can't, 10 higher base attack and 2 higher base speed just doesn't seem like enough to compensate for the rocks weakness + lack of u-turn
ig it got upper hand to let it kinda check dragonite with 50/50s?
also adamant scarf meowscarada seems like it could be a decent answer to deoxys-s, but on that note another niche weavile may have over meowscarada is that adamant tera triple axel will ohko deoxys-s through sash 87.5% of the time, but is it really worth wasting tera and running an otherwise outclassed mon for one matchup?
ig it got upper hand to let it kinda check dragonite with 50/50s?
also adamant scarf meowscarada seems like it could be a decent answer to deoxys-s, but on that note another niche weavile may have over meowscarada is that adamant tera triple axel will ohko deoxys-s through sash 87.5% of the time, but is it really worth wasting tera and running an otherwise outclassed mon for one matchup?