Metagame Scarlet and Violet CAP Metagame Discussion

shnowshner

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This was part of a different post but I started typing too much so I'm moving it here. A bit rambly and I'm far from an outstanding player so take this with a grain of salt, perhaps two.

SV CAP right now is in a bit of an unfortunate state where it seems a lot of the strongest or active players are just building cheesey/MU fish teams, because power creep is immense this gen and we're missing a ton of staple balance/anti-offense options at the moment, along with it still being fairly early generation so there's a good amount of Pokemon/Mechanics that may not be exactly balanced for an OU-level metagame (Tera, Volcarona, Valiant, to name a few). You have this fast-paced metagame full of speedy sweepers and breakers that already makes finding a consistent team difficult, and then factor in that balance teams have some pretty dire hurdles to overcome, and for a lot of people it seems like it's just easier to design teams that try to win as quickly as possible while throwing the opponent's strategy off balance as frequently as possible. Prime example is the team D2 shared in Winter Seasonal finals (https://pokepast.es/ec0450be5c939622), which he even calls an afront to competitive Pokemon. It's got cool techs on the team, like Encore Dragonite to help facilitate a sweep, or the Taunt + Destiny Bond Booster Energy Iron Valiant as either a cleaner or emergency stop to opposing setup, but part of the reason these even exist is because of how chaotic the metagame has been, and that emphasis on getting your sweepers into a winning position while preventing your opponent from doing the same.

The OU Shed Tail ban hopefully remedies this issue a little bit, and we are bound for a new CAP soon that has promise to be a real pain for Offense, but nothing is for certain at this time (especially as 32 could end up being a great addition to Offense as well). I don't want to come off as advocating us to find ways to "fix the meta" as I do feel a large portion of the issues right now stem from OU stuff that is subject to change on their own whims or quite literally whenever Game Freak decides to drop new content on us, but I do feel like it's demotivated a lot of people (myself included).

Wondering if anyone else is feeling this sort of burnout/disinterest I'm trying to convey right now and where exactly it might be coming from.

Later today (read: more than 12 hours later probably) I will get seasonal stats up for whatever they might be worth considering how much things have changed since January.
 

SHSP

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Wondering if anyone else is feeling this sort of burnout/disinterest I'm trying to convey right now and where exactly it might be coming from.
I certainly feel this way as well, the burnout bit especially. Came back from an extended break from playing the meta for CLT and though I've enjoyed the actual playing of a lot of games, building has not felt fun which is annoying. Shed Tail ban has certainly helped that (as has actually qualifying for bracket) but I'm not sold on it being a massive fix: HO is still gonna be consistent and solid, even with just hazard stack options and what not. I do think there's a lot of room we could be exploring, though- anyone who wants to build lmk i'd be down :]
 
I do think there's a lot of room we could be exploring, though- anyone who wants to build lmk i'd be down :]
I'm down! And I agree with the feelings that building feels significantly more pain than actually playing. I've been pretty pro-tera since release, less so these days. Especially in CAP. There seems to be lopsided value to an offensive vs a defensive tera. :venomicon: and :arghonaut: teras can be challenging to break but they feel a lot easier to deal with than :iron valiant: :krilowatt: teras that just run away with the game and steamroll their checks.
 

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2023 CAP Winer Seasonals

Moves + Teammates | Combos
Code:
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon            | Use  | Usage % |  Win %  |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1    | Equilibra          |  124 |  33.16% |  52.42% |
| 2    | Great Tusk         |  110 |  29.41% |  45.45% |
| 3    | Arghonaut          |  102 |  27.27% |  47.06% |
| 4    | Venomicon          |   99 |  26.47% |  47.47% |
| 5    | Jumbao             |   87 |  23.26% |  57.47% |
| 6    | Roaring Moon       |   75 |  20.05% |  56.00% |
| 7    | Garganacl          |   73 |  19.52% |  49.32% |
| 8    | Iron Valiant       |   71 |  18.98% |  45.07% |
| 9    | Dragapult          |   68 |  18.18% |  45.59% |
| 10   | Gholdengo          |   59 |  15.78% |  42.37% |
| 11   | Krilowatt          |   56 |  14.97% |  62.50% |
| 12   | Astrolotl          |   52 |  13.90% |  44.23% |
| 13   | Iron Moth          |   48 |  12.83% |  64.58% |
| 14   | Hatterene          |   47 |  12.57% |  53.19% |
| 15   | Kingambit          |   45 |  12.03% |  53.33% |
| 15   | Tomohawk           |   45 |  12.03% |  51.11% |
| 17   | Meowscarada        |   38 |  10.16% |  52.63% |
| 18   | Chien-Pao          |   37 |   9.89% |  48.65% |
| 19   | Skeledirge         |   34 |   9.09% |  52.94% |
| 19   | Dragonite          |   34 |   9.09% |  47.06% |
| 21   | Revenankh          |   33 |   8.82% |  45.45% |
| 22   | Orthworm           |   31 |   8.29% |  67.74% |
| 22   | Rotom-Wash         |   31 |   8.29% |  54.84% |
| 24   | Volcarona          |   30 |   8.02% |  50.00% |
| 24   | Cinderace          |   30 |   8.02% |  46.67% |
| 26   | Corviknight        |   28 |   7.49% |  53.57% |
| 27   | Pelipper           |   27 |   7.22% |  48.15% |
| 28   | Floatzel           |   26 |   6.95% |  50.00% |
| 29   | Ting-Lu            |   24 |   6.42% |  54.17% |
| 30   | Caribolt           |   23 |   6.15% |  43.48% |
| 31   | Toxapex            |   22 |   5.88% |  50.00% |
| 32   | Miasmaw            |   21 |   5.61% |  52.38% |
| 33   | Snaelstrom         |   20 |   5.35% |  45.00% |
| 33   | Iron Treads        |   20 |   5.35% |  40.00% |
| 35   | Stratagem          |   19 |   5.08% |  63.16% |
| 35   | Grimmsnarl         |   19 |   5.08% |  57.89% |
| 35   | Venomicon-Epilogue |   19 |   5.08% |  57.89% |
| 35   | Greninja           |   19 |   5.08% |  36.84% |
| 39   | Ceruledge          |   18 |   4.81% |  66.67% |
| 39   | Espathra           |   18 |   4.81% |  61.11% |
| 39   | Amoonguss          |   18 |   4.81% |  50.00% |
| 42   | Cawmodore          |   17 |   4.55% |  41.18% |
| 42   | Baxcalibur         |   17 |   4.55% |  41.18% |
| 44   | Walking Wake       |   16 |   4.28% |  56.25% |
| 45   | Zoroark-Hisui      |   15 |   4.01% |  53.33% |
| 46   | Crucibelle         |   14 |   3.74% |  50.00% |
| 46   | Garchomp           |   14 |   3.74% |  50.00% |
| 46   | Slowking           |   14 |   3.74% |  28.57% |
| 49   | Saharaja           |   13 |   3.48% |  53.85% |
| 49   | Smokomodo          |   13 |   3.48% |  46.15% |
| 49   | Fidgit             |   13 |   3.48% |  38.46% |
| 52   | Scizor             |   12 |   3.21% |  83.33% |
| 52   | Colossoil          |   12 |   3.21% |  58.33% |
| 52   | Syclant            |   12 |   3.21% |  41.67% |
| 52   | Iron Hands         |   12 |   3.21% |  33.33% |
| 56   | Mollux             |   11 |   2.94% |  45.45% |
| 56   | Plasmanta          |   11 |   2.94% |  36.36% |
| 58   | Glimmora           |   10 |   2.67% |  40.00% |
| 58   | Kerfluffle         |   10 |   2.67% |  20.00% |
| 60   | Armarouge          |    9 |   2.41% |  66.67% |
| 60   | Voodoom            |    9 |   2.41% |  44.44% |
| 60   | Pyroak             |    9 |   2.41% |  11.11% |
| 63   | Indeedee           |    8 |   2.14% |  75.00% |
| 63   | Azumarill          |    8 |   2.14% |  50.00% |
| 63   | Chromera           |    8 |   2.14% |  25.00% |
| 66   | Cyclohm            |    7 |   1.87% |  71.43% |
| 66   | Polteageist        |    7 |   1.87% |  71.43% |
| 66   | Pajantom           |    7 |   1.87% |  57.14% |
| 66   | Scream Tail        |    7 |   1.87% |  57.14% |
| 66   | Breloom            |    7 |   1.87% |  28.57% |
| 66   | Sandy Shocks       |    7 |   1.87% |  14.29% |
| 72   | Iron Jugulis       |    6 |   1.60% |  66.67% |
| 72   | Clodsire           |    6 |   1.60% |  50.00% |
| 72   | Gastrodon          |    6 |   1.60% |  33.33% |
| 72   | Pawmot             |    6 |   1.60% |  33.33% |
| 72   | Volkraken          |    6 |   1.60% |  16.67% |
| 77   | Quaquaval          |    5 |   1.34% |  60.00% |
| 77   | Pincurchin         |    5 |   1.34% |  60.00% |
| 77   | Hawlucha           |    5 |   1.34% |  40.00% |
| 77   | Masquerain         |    5 |   1.34% |  40.00% |
| 77   | Hydreigon          |    5 |   1.34% |  20.00% |
| 82   | Kitsunoh           |    4 |   1.07% |  50.00% |
| 82   | Iron Leaves        |    4 |   1.07% |  50.00% |
| 82   | Torkoal            |    4 |   1.07% |  25.00% |
| 82   | Dondozo            |    4 |   1.07% |  25.00% |
| 86   | Gallade            |    3 |   0.80% |  66.67% |
| 86   | Blissey            |    3 |   0.80% |  66.67% |
| 86   | Naviathan          |    3 |   0.80% |  33.33% |
| 86   | Malaconda          |    3 |   0.80% |   0.00% |
| 90   | Polteageist-Antique |    2 |   0.53% | 100.00% |
| 90   | Cloyster           |    2 |   0.53% | 100.00% |
| 90   | Aurumoth           |    2 |   0.53% | 100.00% |
| 90   | Kilowattrel        |    2 |   0.53% |  50.00% |
| 90   | Veluza             |    2 |   0.53% |  50.00% |
| 90   | Arboliva           |    2 |   0.53% |  50.00% |
| 90   | Bisharp            |    2 |   0.53% |  50.00% |
| 90   | Sylveon            |    2 |   0.53% |  50.00% |
| 90   | Scovillain         |    2 |   0.53% |  50.00% |
| 99   | Magnezone          |    1 |   0.27% | 100.00% |
| 99   | Brambleghast       |    1 |   0.27% | 100.00% |
| 99   | Hippowdon          |    1 |   0.27% | 100.00% |
| 99   | Iron Thorns        |    1 |   0.27% | 100.00% |
| 99   | Rabsca             |    1 |   0.27% | 100.00% |
| 99   | Rotom-Heat         |    1 |   0.27% | 100.00% |
| 99   | Avalugg            |    1 |   0.27% | 100.00% |
| 99   | Necturna           |    1 |   0.27% |   0.00% |
| 99   | Espeon             |    1 |   0.27% |   0.00% |
| 99   | Justyke            |    1 |   0.27% |   0.00% |
| 99   | Bombirdier         |    1 |   0.27% |   0.00% |
| 99   | Salamence          |    1 |   0.27% |   0.00% |
| 99   | Farigiraf          |    1 |   0.27% |   0.00% |
| 99   | Maushold           |    1 |   0.27% |   0.00% |
 

quziel

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Now that home is dropped, its time to make a meta announcement.
:walking wake:
The Council has decided to free binacle pinnacle Walking Wake from the banlist. While the mon still does hit like a truck, we felt that Walking Wake deserved another chance at CAP success, as the power level in the meta is undoubtedly increasing thanks to Pokemon Home dropping. New additions to the meta such as Slowking-Galar can potentially sponge its attacks, and additions such as Chien Pao and Sneasler make its speed tier a bit less valuable, which may reduce its power level enough to keep it balanced. This is also a matter of procedure, as the metagame council generally feels that keeping a Pokemon banned after a metagame shift of this magnitude is bad policy. We'll absolutely be keeping an eye on Wake, as well as the rest of the new additions to see if CAP-specific action needs to be taken, but get battling, and get hyped for the incoming Hemogoblin.
 

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So, CAPPL is about to start, OU's gone through a few bans, and Hemogoblin is out. It's been a hell of a week or two for the CAP metagame, and I'm curious to hear how folks are thinking about the current state of stuff. I'll give a few of my own thoughts as well:

:hemogoblin: the latest addition has felt really enjoyable to play, even if I've only been running one BU set (and poorly). I definitely feel like it'll carve out a niche even post-Home, and I'm really curious what gets cooked up over the season with the lil guy.

:walking_wake: Haven't ran into this too much, but I'm worried about it being back around again. Bao is just such a strong partner for it, but again I'm running off such a small sample size and not really running any new options that match up well into it. Definitely keeping my eyes on it.

:fidgit: :ursaluna: TR is back in force with Ursa around, and Fidgit here makes it rather terrifying to play against. Not sure what the TR builds look like minus Magearna, though.

Generally, I'm enjoying post-Home a ton more right now, but I feel like a part of that is enjoying all the new toys. There's a lot that stands out as too strong that hopefully gets shaken out in the next bit of time, but after that I have a lot of hope for this to be really, really enjoyable.
 

Samirsin

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CAP usage stats of June and what they tell us about the metagame
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By using this stats, here are some points:

  1. :hemogoblin: Hemogoblin
  2. :equilibra: Equilibra
  3. :snaelstrom: Snaelstrom
  4. :venomicon: Venomicon
  5. :arghonaut: Arghonaut
  6. :great tusk: Great Tusk
  7. :fidgit: Fidgit
  8. :jumbao: Jumbao
  9. :cawmodore: Cawmodore
  10. :miasmaw: Miasmaw
+----------------------------------------+
| Hemogoblin
+----------------------------------------+
| Raw count: 2252
| Avg. weight: 0.720547282363
| Viability Ceiling: 88
+----------------------------------------+
| Abilities
| Pixilate 98.579%
| Intimidate 1.421%
+----------------------------------------+
| Items
| Heavy-Duty Boots 40.839%
| Leftovers 14.083%
| Muscle Band 8.789%
| Choice Specs 8.059%
| Life Orb 7.987%
| Choice Band 6.727%
| Pixie Plate 4.005%
| Throat Spray 2.229%
| Assault Vest 2.089%
| Focus Sash 1.801%
| Other 3.392%
+----------------------------------------+
| Spreads
| Adamant:248/252/0/0/8/0 16.474%
| Adamant:76/252/0/0/0/180 8.833%
| Adamant:248/252/0/0/0/8 6.982%
| Quiet:248/8/0/252/0/0 4.184%
| Brave:248/252/0/8/0/0 3.604%
| Adamant:128/196/4/0/120/60 3.587%
| Other 56.337%
+----------------------------------------+
| Moves
| Extreme Speed 86.948%
| Bitter Blade 71.865%
| Bulk Up 55.436%
| Knock Off 42.153%
| Boomburst 25.688%
| Volt Switch 16.580%
| Moonlight 13.701%
| Fiery Dance 12.208%
| Tera Blast 11.606%
| Fire Lash 10.353%
| Explosion 9.912%
| Thunderbolt 4.941%
| Fire Blast 4.264%
| Wild Charge 4.039%
| Psychic 3.591%
| Flamethrower 3.577%
| Double-Edge 3.571%
| Other 19.568%
+----------------------------------------+
| Teammates
| Venomicon 18.854%
| Equilibra 17.843%
| Syclant 16.289%
| Great Tusk 15.815%
| Snaelstrom 14.320%
| Jumbao 14.215%
| Slowking-Galar 13.996%
| Dragapult 13.854%
| Aurumoth 12.943%
| Cawmodore 12.036%
| Krilowatt 11.798%
+----------------------------------------+
| Checks and Counters
| Skeledirge 63.445 (83.29±4.96)
| (12.9% KOed / 70.4% switched out)
| Venomicon 60.065 (77.08±4.25)
| (18.3% KOed / 58.8% switched out)
| Heatran 50.848 (79.05±7.05)
| (25.3% KOed / 53.8% switched out)
+----------------------------------------+
  1. :hemogoblin: Hemogoblin
  2. :equilibra: Equilibra
  3. :snaelstrom: Snaelstrom
  4. :venomicon: Venomicon
  5. :arghonaut: Arghonaut
  6. :fidgit: Fidgit
  7. :jumbao: Jumbao
  8. :cawmodore: Cawmodore
  9. :miasmaw: Miasmaw
  10. :stratagem:Stratagem
  11. :syclant: Syclant
  12. :aurumoth: Aurumoth
  13. :krilowatt: Krilowatt
  14. :astrolotl: Astrolotl
  15. :malaconda: Malaconda
  16. :Venomicon-Epilogue: Venomicon-Epilogue
  17. :kitsunoh: Kitsunoh
  18. :tomohawk: Tomohawk
  19. :colossoil: Colossoil
  20. :cyclohm: Cyclohm
  21. :smokomodo: Smokomodo
  22. :volkraken: Volkraken
  23. :revenankh: Revenankh
  24. :chromera: Chromera
  25. :kerfluffle: Kerfluffle
  26. :pyroak: Pyroak
  27. :saharaja: Saharaja
  28. :naviathan: Naviathan
  29. :pajantom: Pajantom
  30. :crucibelle: Crucibelle
  31. :voodoom: Voodoom
  32. :plasmanta: Plasmanta
  33. :mollux: Mollux
  34. :necturna: Necturna
If we used the the 4.52% cutoff, these next CAPs would be UU by usage:
  • :Mollux: Mollux
  • :Necturna: Necturna
Total leads: 5644
+ ---- + ------------------ + --------- + ------ + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon | Usage % | Raw | % |
+ ---- + ------------------ + --------- + ------ + ------- +
| 1 | Snaelstrom | 8.22536% | 470 | 8.327% |
| 2 | Fidgit | 7.49921% | 381 | 6.751% |
| 3 | Aurumoth | 4.43696% | 216 | 3.827% |
| 4 | Hemogoblin | 3.57470% | 202 | 3.579% |
| 5 | Krilowatt | 2.90794% | 150 | 2.658% |
| 6 | Malaconda | 2.85552% | 144 | 2.551% |
| 7 | Jumbao | 2.65018% | 136 | 2.410% |
| 8 | Stratagem | 2.31784% | 152 | 2.693% |
| 9 | Venomicon | 2.25014% | 131 | 2.321% |
| 10 | Dragapult | 2.14569% | 97 | 1.719% |
| 11 | Samurott-Hisui | 2.13847% | 96 | 1.701% |
| 12 | Venomicon-Epilogue | 2.11148% | 111 | 1.967% |
| 13 | Chromera | 2.05613% | 112 | 1.984% |
| 14 | Crucibelle | 1.97045% | 121 | 2.144% |
| 15 | Syclant | 1.85794% | 103 | 1.825% |
| 16 | Astrolotl | 1.76574% | 119 | 2.108% |
| 17 | Equilibra | 1.70378% | 106 | 1.878% |
| 18 | Sneasler | 1.69769% | 72 | 1.276% |
| 19 | Great Tusk | 1.58751% | 67 | 1.187% |
| 20 | Rotom-Wash | 1.48062% | 72 | 1.276% |
weatherless...................79.46783%
offense.......................47.77409%
balance.......................26.08145%
sun...........................18.05504%
hyperoffense..................17.75345%
voltturn...................... 7.33048%
trickroom..................... 5.37066%
stall......................... 5.31256%
semistall..................... 3.07844%
monotype...................... 1.71241%
rain.......................... 1.28138%
sunoffense.................... 1.17860%
sand.......................... 0.97718%
choice........................ 0.79134%
tricksun...................... 0.64624%
sandstall..................... 0.47317%
monofire...................... 0.22953%
hail.......................... 0.21857%
monodragon.................... 0.17866%
monobug....................... 0.17831%
monograss..................... 0.17068%
monoice....................... 0.13943%
monofairy..................... 0.13147%
monofighting.................. 0.11535%
monoghost..................... 0.11156%
monoflying.................... 0.09351%
monowater..................... 0.08318%
monosteel..................... 0.07987%
monodark...................... 0.07498%
monoelectric.................. 0.07241%
monoground.................... 0.07220%
monopoison.................... 0.05623%
monopsychic................... 0.04632%
sunstall...................... 0.04265%
trickrain..................... 0.04135%
tricksand..................... 0.03440%
monorock...................... 0.03058%
rainoffense................... 0.02635%
sandoffense................... 0.02503%
gravity....................... 0.02498%
dragmag....................... 0.02465%
tailwind...................... 0.01958%
hailoffense................... 0.01486%

Stalliness (mean: -0.183)
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more negative = more offensive, more positive = more stall
one # = 0.48%
The most used CAP NFE is Flarelm :flarelm: with the place number 111
The most used CAP LC is Justyke :justyke: 133
 
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Wondering if anyone else is feeling this sort of burnout/disinterest I'm trying to convey right now and where exactly it might be coming from
I've not touched showdown at all for a while because of what you described in better detail and I call it "Match-Up Fishing" It felt that way since home came out. Part of why I didn't play at all. But with my very recent comeback , I'm hoping I can have a blast again , and even tho I know one month is Not nearly enough for a tier to stabilize , After the whole array of bans (again showing tera hasn't been playtested at all) , I've given a go back at it and ... Already have a few things to say about the new trends / Relevant Topics
 

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Moves + Teammates | Combos
Code:
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon            | Use  | Usage % |  Win %  |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1    | Hemogoblin         |   79 |  47.02% |  54.43% |
| 2    | Great Tusk         |   62 |  36.90% |  62.90% |
| 3    | Equilibra          |   57 |  33.93% |  49.12% |
| 4    | Venomicon          |   56 |  33.33% |  51.79% |
| 5    | Dragapult          |   46 |  27.38% |  47.83% |
| 6    | Kingambit          |   28 |  16.67% |  53.57% |
| 7    | Walking Wake       |   26 |  15.48% |  80.77% |
| 7    | Krilowatt          |   26 |  15.48% |  57.69% |
| 9    | Arghonaut          |   25 |  14.88% |  36.00% |
| 10   | Jumbao             |   24 |  14.29% |  75.00% |
| 10   | Heatran            |   24 |  14.29% |  62.50% |
| 10   | Samurott-Hisui     |   24 |  14.29% |  41.67% |
| 13   | Iron Moth          |   23 |  13.69% |  47.83% |
| 13   | Slowking-Galar     |   23 |  13.69% |  43.48% |
| 15   | Gholdengo          |   21 |  12.50% |  52.38% |
| 15   | Garganacl          |   21 |  12.50% |  42.86% |
| 17   | Iron Valiant       |   20 |  11.90% |  55.00% |
| 18   | Zapdos             |   17 |  10.12% |  58.82% |
| 18   | Hoopa-Unbound      |   17 |  10.12% |  41.18% |
| 18   | Ursaluna           |   17 |  10.12% |  29.41% |
| 21   | Rotom-Wash         |   15 |   8.93% |  40.00% |
| 22   | Dragonite          |   14 |   8.33% |  57.14% |
| 22   | Sneasler           |   14 |   8.33% |  50.00% |
| 22   | Volcanion          |   14 |   8.33% |  50.00% |
| 22   | Crucibelle         |   14 |   8.33% |  50.00% |
| 26   | Roaring Moon       |   13 |   7.74% |  76.92% |
| 27   | Revenankh          |   12 |   7.14% |  58.33% |
| 27   | Meowscarada        |   12 |   7.14% |  58.33% |
| 29   | Miasmaw            |   11 |   6.55% |  54.55% |
| 29   | Stratagem          |   11 |   6.55% |  45.45% |
| 31   | Zamazenta-*        |   10 |   5.95% |  70.00% |
| 31   | Toxapex            |   10 |   5.95% |  60.00% |
| 31   | Hatterene          |   10 |   5.95% |  30.00% |
| 34   | Venomicon-Epilogue |    9 |   5.36% |  44.44% |
| 35   | Arcanine-Hisui     |    8 |   4.76% |  62.50% |
| 35   | Ting-Lu            |    8 |   4.76% |  12.50% |
| 37   | Caribolt           |    7 |   4.17% |  42.86% |
| 37   | Baxcalibur         |    7 |   4.17% |  28.57% |
| 37   | Enamorus           |    7 |   4.17% |  14.29% |
| 40   | Moltres-Galar      |    6 |   3.57% |  50.00% |
| 40   | Landorus-Therian   |    6 |   3.57% |  50.00% |
| 40   | Tomohawk           |    6 |   3.57% |  16.67% |
| 40   | Fidgit             |    6 |   3.57% |   0.00% |
| 44   | Tornadus-Therian   |    5 |   2.98% |  80.00% |
| 44   | Slowking           |    5 |   2.98% |  60.00% |
| 44   | Cresselia          |    5 |   2.98% |  60.00% |
| 44   | Aurumoth           |    5 |   2.98% |  40.00% |
| 44   | Snaelstrom         |    5 |   2.98% |  40.00% |
| 44   | Cinderace          |    5 |   2.98% |  40.00% |
| 44   | Syclant            |    5 |   2.98% |  20.00% |
| 44   | Garchomp           |    5 |   2.98% |  20.00% |
| 44   | Astrolotl          |    5 |   2.98% |   0.00% |
| 53   | Chromera           |    4 |   2.38% | 100.00% |
| 53   | Articuno-Galar     |    4 |   2.38% |  75.00% |
| 53   | Rillaboom          |    4 |   2.38% |  75.00% |
| 53   | Saharaja           |    4 |   2.38% |  25.00% |
| 53   | Iron Hands         |    4 |   2.38% |  25.00% |
| 58   | Colossoil          |    3 |   1.79% |  66.67% |
| 58   | Lilligant-Hisui    |    3 |   1.79% |  66.67% |
| 58   | Hydreigon          |    3 |   1.79% |  66.67% |
| 58   | Pyroak             |    3 |   1.79% |  66.67% |
| 58   | Azelf              |    3 |   1.79% |  33.33% |
| 58   | Grimmsnarl         |    3 |   1.79% |  33.33% |
| 58   | Braviary-Hisui     |    3 |   1.79% |   0.00% |
| 58   | Corviknight        |    3 |   1.79% |   0.00% |
| 66   | Enamorus-Therian   |    2 |   1.19% | 100.00% |
| 66   | Malaconda          |    2 |   1.19% | 100.00% |
| 66   | Hawlucha           |    2 |   1.19% | 100.00% |
| 66   | Smokomodo          |    2 |   1.19% |  50.00% |
| 66   | Thundurus-Therian  |    2 |   1.19% |  50.00% |
| 66   | Gastrodon          |    2 |   1.19% |  50.00% |
| 66   | Skeledirge         |    2 |   1.19% |  50.00% |
| 66   | Dondozo            |    2 |   1.19% |  50.00% |
| 66   | Pelipper           |    2 |   1.19% |  50.00% |
| 66   | Moltres            |    2 |   1.19% |  50.00% |
| 66   | Goodra-Hisui       |    2 |   1.19% |   0.00% |
| 66   | Glimmora           |    2 |   1.19% |   0.00% |
| 66   | Azumarill          |    2 |   1.19% |   0.00% |
| 66   | Voodoom            |    2 |   1.19% |   0.00% |
| 66   | Cawmodore          |    2 |   1.19% |   0.00% |
| 66   | Greninja-*         |    2 |   1.19% |   0.00% |
| 82   | Kerfluffle         |    1 |   0.60% | 100.00% |
| 82   | Clodsire           |    1 |   0.60% | 100.00% |
| 82   | Naviathan          |    1 |   0.60% | 100.00% |
| 82   | Scream Tail        |    1 |   0.60% | 100.00% |
| 82   | Regidrago          |    1 |   0.60% |   0.00% |
| 82   | Breloom            |    1 |   0.60% |   0.00% |
| 82   | Mew                |    1 |   0.60% |   0.00% |
| 82   | Amoonguss          |    1 |   0.60% |   0.00% |
| 82   | Basculegion-F      |    1 |   0.60% |   0.00% |
| 82   | Mollux             |    1 |   0.60% |   0.00% |
| 82   | Indeedee           |    1 |   0.60% |   0.00% |
| 82   | Polteageist-Antique |    1 |   0.60% |   0.00% |
| 82   | Cloyster           |    1 |   0.60% |   0.00% |
| 82   | Armarouge          |    1 |   0.60% |   0.00% |
| 82   | Justyke            |    1 |   0.60% |   0.00% |
| 82   | Torkoal            |    1 |   0.60% |   0.00% |
| 82   | Volkraken          |    1 |   0.60% |   0.00% |
| 82   | Zoroark-Hisui      |    1 |   0.60% |   0.00% |
| 82   | Blissey            |    1 |   0.60% |   0.00% |
| 82   | Ditto              |    1 |   0.60% |   0.00% |
| 82   | Alomomola          |    1 |   0.60% |   0.00% |
 

Samirsin

✧Rey de los Snom✧
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CAP ladder usage stats of July and what they tell us about the metagame
hemokiss.png
By using this stats, here are some points:

  1. :hemogoblin: Hemogoblin
  2. :equilibra: Equilibra
  3. :snaelstrom: Snaelstrom
  4. :venomicon: Venomicon
  5. :miasmaw: Miasmaw
  6. :stratagem: Stratagem
  7. :arghonaut: Arghonaut
  8. :caribolt: Caribolt
  9. :great tusk: Great Tusk
  10. :cawmodore: Cawmodore
+----------------------------------------+
| Hemogoblin :hemogoblin:
+----------------------------------------+
| Raw count: 2096
| Avg. weight: 0.717808050591
| Viability Ceiling: 89
+----------------------------------------+
| Abilities
| Pixilate 97.117%
| Intimidate 2.883%
+----------------------------------------+
| Items
| Heavy-Duty Boots 52.215%
| Leftovers 13.656%
| Choice Band 9.091%
| Life Orb 8.209%
| Muscle Band 6.298%
| Pixie Plate 4.166%
| Assault Vest 1.570%
| Other 4.796%
+----------------------------------------+
| Spreads
| Adamant:248/252/0/0/8/0 29.361%
| Adamant:76/252/0/0/0/180 16.232%
| Adamant:252/252/0/0/4/0 10.311%
| Adamant:248/252/0/0/0/8 6.500%
| Adamant:204/252/0/0/8/44 2.758%
| Careful:248/8/0/0/252/0 1.389%
| Other 33.450%
+----------------------------------------+
| Moves
| Extreme Speed 96.538%
| Bitter Blade 87.539%
| Bulk Up 74.983%
| Knock Off 63.594%
| Moonlight 17.499%
| Explosion 12.450%
| Fire Lash 11.225%
| Tera Blast 9.686%
| Wild Charge 6.390%
| Moonblast 3.024%
| Other 17.072%
+----------------------------------------+
| Teammates
| Equilibra 22.123%
| Venomicon 19.941%
| Miasmaw 16.913%
| Jumbao 16.235%
| Dragapult 16.019%
| Great Tusk 14.133%
| Arghonaut 13.830%
| Saharaja 12.998%
| Revenankh 12.656%
| Slowking-Galar 12.605%
| Cawmodore 12.493%
+----------------------------------------+
| Checks and Counters
| Plasmanta 64.735 (89.13±6.10)
| (32.0% KOed / 57.1% switched out)
| Venomicon 62.774 (79.56±4.20)
| (24.8% KOed / 54.7% switched out)
| Mollux 59.472 (80.43±5.24)
| (24.7% KOed / 55.7% switched out)
+----------------------------------------+
  1. :hemogoblin: Hemogoblin
  2. :equilibra: Equilibra
  3. :snaelstrom: Snaelstrom
  4. :venomicon: Venomicon
  5. :miasmaw: Miasmaw
  6. :stratagem:Stratagem
  7. :arghonaut: Arghonaut
  8. :caribolt: Caribolt
  9. :cawmodore: Cawmodore
  10. :astrolotl: Astrolotl
  11. :syclant: Syclant
  12. :aurumoth: Aurumoth
  13. :colossoil: Colossoil
  14. :jumbao: Jumbao
  15. :fidgit: Fidgit
  16. :krilowatt: Krilowatt
  17. :revenankh: Revenankh
  18. :saharaja: Saharaja
  19. :pyroak: Pyroak
  20. :tomohawk: Tomohawk
  21. :kitsunoh: Kitsunoh
  22. :cyclohm: Cyclohm
  23. :volkraken: Volkraken
  24. :chromera: Chromera
  25. :voodoom: Voodoom
  26. :plasmanta: Plasmanta
  27. :naviathan: Naviathan
  28. :smokomodo: Smokomodo
  29. :mollux: Mollux
  30. :Venomicon-Epilogue: Venomicon-Epilogue
  31. :malaconda: Malaconda
  32. :pajantom: Pajantom
  33. :crucibelle: Crucibelle
  34. :kerfluffle: Kerfluffle
  35. :necturna: Necturna
If we used the the 4.52% cutoff, these next CAPs would be UU by usage:
  • :kerfluffle: Kerfluffle
  • :Necturna: Necturna
Total leads: 5226
+ ---- + ---------------- + --------- + ------ + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon | Usage % | Raw | % |
+ ---- + ---------------- + --------- + ------ + ------- +
| 1 | Snaelstrom | 7.78404% | 452 | 8.649% |
| 2 | Aurumoth | 5.12768% | 216 | 4.133% |
| 3 | Fidgit | 5.04236% | 266 | 5.090% |
| 4 | Syclant | 4.74157% | 215 | 4.114% |
| 5 | Samurott-Hisui | 4.07753% | 174 | 3.330% |
| 6 | Dragapult | 3.02903% | 121 | 2.315% |
| 7 | Krilowatt | 2.88237% | 126 | 2.411% |
| 8 | Hemogoblin | 2.70953% | 155 | 2.966% |
| 9 | Tomohawk | 2.48665% | 118 | 2.258% |
| 10 | Great Tusk | 2.41035% | 97 | 1.856% |
| 11 | Crucibelle | 2.36650% | 128 | 2.449% |
| 12 | Miasmaw | 2.30819% | 121 | 2.315% |
| 13 | Equilibra | 2.28591% | 123 | 2.354% |
| 14 | Saharaja | 2.26227% | 121 | 2.315% |
| 15 | Colossoil | 2.26190% | 129 | 2.468% |
| 16 | Stratagem | 2.21515% | 151 | 2.889% |
| 17 | Venomicon | 2.14132% | 102 | 1.952% |
| 18 | Astrolotl | 2.09897% | 119 | 2.277% |
| 19 | Jumbao | 1.87215% | 110 | 2.105% |
| 20 | Malaconda | 1.83059% | 113 | 2.162% |
weatherless...................82.57128%
offense.......................50.08230%
balance.......................33.13203%
sun...........................15.45039%
hyperoffense..................11.04194%
trickroom..................... 6.51432%
voltturn...................... 5.88586%
semistall..................... 3.70388%
stall......................... 2.03985%
rain.......................... 1.85640%
monotype...................... 0.81534%
sunoffense.................... 0.29358%
tailwind...................... 0.28746%
choice........................ 0.17351%
monosteel..................... 0.14284%
sand.......................... 0.13726%
monoground.................... 0.13284%
monoghost..................... 0.10367%
monofire...................... 0.09810%
multiweather.................. 0.07167%
monorock...................... 0.06036%
monobug....................... 0.05899%
hail.......................... 0.05634%
monofighting.................. 0.05507%
tricksun...................... 0.05239%
monowater..................... 0.04677%
monograss..................... 0.04648%
monoelectric.................. 0.04514%
monofairy..................... 0.04446%
monodark...................... 0.04017%
gravity....................... 0.03807%
monopoison.................... 0.03769%
monodragon.................... 0.03525%
rainoffense................... 0.03234%
sandoffense................... 0.02301%
monopsychic................... 0.01941%
sandstall..................... 0.01319%
monoflying.................... 0.01086%
mononormal.................... 0.00763%

Stalliness (mean: -0.188)
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more negative = more offensive, more positive = more stall
one # = 0.51%
The most used CAP NFE is Flarelm :flarelm: with the place number 105, followed by Scratchet :scratchet: in 106
The most used CAP LC is Pluffle :pluffle: in 197
Great Tusk :great-tusk:, Kingambit :kingambit:, Dragapult :dragapult:, and Slowking-Galar:slowking-galar:are the most used non-CAP Pokémon.
 

Samirsin

✧Rey de los Snom✧
is a Social Media Contributor
And because CAP ladder is still CAP...
CAP ladder usage stats of August and what they tell us about the ladder metagame

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By using this stats, here are some points:

  1. :hemogoblin: Hemogoblin
  2. :venomicon: Venomicon
  3. :cawmodore: Cawmodore
  4. :equilibra: Equilibra
  5. :snaelstrom: Snaelstrom
  6. :miasmaw: Miasmaw
  7. :arghonaut: Arghonaut
  8. :stratagem: Stratagem
  9. :caribolt: Caribolt
  10. :revenankh: Revenankh
+----------------------------------------+
| Hemogoblin :hemogoblin:
+----------------------------------------+
| Raw count: 8445
| Avg. weight: 0.638684137742
| Viability Ceiling: 90
+----------------------------------------+
| Abilities
| Pixilate 99.036%
| Intimidate 0.891%
| Own Tempo 0.073%
+----------------------------------------+
| Items
| Heavy-Duty Boots 37.220%
| Leftovers 35.992%
| Choice Band 8.385%
| Life Orb 5.915%
| Pixie Plate 4.436%
| Focus Sash 1.533%
| Assault Vest 1.530%
| Other 4.990%
+----------------------------------------+
| Spreads
| Adamant:248/252/0/0/8/0 28.389%
| Adamant:76/252/0/0/0/180 17.763%
| Adamant:252/252/0/0/4/0 11.353%
| Adamant:252/252/4/0/0/0 3.392%
| Brave:248/252/0/8/0/0 3.101%
| Adamant:156/252/0/0/0/100 2.538%
| Other 33.464%
+----------------------------------------+
| Moves
| Extreme Speed 98.051%
| Bitter Blade 95.421%
| Bulk Up 83.559%
| Substitute 24.859%
| Explosion 12.040%
| Moonlight 9.135%
| Taunt 8.626%
| Tera Blast 8.333%
| Knock Off 7.736%
| Will-O-Wisp 7.051%
| Fire Lash 6.534%
| Wild Charge 6.305%
| Trailblaze 4.994%
| Zen Headbutt 4.984%
| Spikes 3.355%
| Other 19.015%
+----------------------------------------+
| Teammates
| Venomicon 40.973%
| Cawmodore 31.334%
| Equilibra 20.527%
| Miasmaw 19.579%
| Snaelstrom 18.647%
| Caribolt 18.415%
| Revenankh 17.076%
| Naviathan 15.638%
| Arghonaut 15.486%
| Aurumoth 15.357%
| Stratagem 14.288%
+----------------------------------------+
| Checks and Counters
| Skeledirge 71.714 (83.32±2.90)
| (19.8% KOed / 63.5% switched out)
| Venomicon 70.080 (77.10±1.75)
| (25.4% KOed / 51.7% switched out)
| Dondozo 57.146 (79.02±5.47)
| (15.0% KOed / 64.1% switched out)
| Mollux 57.015 (72.80±3.95)
| (27.1% KOed / 45.7% switched out)
| Smokomodo 53.224 (69.82±4.15)
| (34.0% KOed / 35.8% switched out)
+----------------------------------------+
  1. :hemogoblin: Hemogoblin
  2. :venomicon: Venomicon
  3. :cawmodore: Cawmodore
  4. :equilibra: Equilibra
  5. :snaelstrom: Snaelstrom
  6. :miasmaw: Miasmaw
  7. :arghonaut: Arghonaut
  8. :stratagem: Stratagem
  9. :caribolt: Caribolt
  10. :revenankh: Revenankh
  11. :Krilowatt: Krilowatt
  12. :Naviathan: Naviathan
  13. :Aurumoth: Aurumoth
  14. :Saharaja: Saharaja
  15. :Astrolotl: Astrolotl
  16. :Syclant: Syclant
  17. :Smokomodo: Smokomodo
  18. :plasmanta: Plasmanta
  19. :colossoil: Colossoil
  20. :tomohawk: Tomohawk
  21. :pajantom: Pajantom
  22. :Kitsunoh: Kitsunoh
  23. :jumbao: Jumbao
  24. :pyroak: Pyroak
  25. :voodoom: Voodoom
  26. :volkraken: Volkraken
  27. :crucibelle: Crucibelle
  28. :malaconda: Malaconda
  29. :Mollux: Mollux
  30. :chromera: Chromera
  31. :cyclohm: Cyclohm
  32. :Kerfluffle: Kerfluffle
  33. :fidgit: Fidgit
  34. :necturna: Necturna
  35. :venomicon-epilogue: Venomicon-Epilogue
If we used the the 4.52% cutoff, these next CAPs would be UU by usage:
  • :Necturna: Necturna
  • :venomicon-epilogue: Venomicon-Epilogue
Total leads: 17116
+ ---- + ------------------ + --------- + ------ + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon | Usage % | Raw | % |
+ ---- + ------------------ + --------- + ------ + ------- +
| 1 | Snaelstrom | 10.17404% | 1960 | 11.451% |
| 2 | Venomicon | 5.91038% | 884 | 5.165% |
| 3 | Krilowatt | 4.28829% | 601 | 3.511% |
| 4 | Stratagem | 3.77188% | 694 | 4.055% |
| 5 | Grimmsnarl | 2.94927% | 467 | 2.728% |
| 6 | Syclant | 2.88907% | 448 | 2.617% |
| 7 | Astrolotl | 2.81977% | 504 | 2.945% |
| 8 | Equilibra | 2.76167% | 384 | 2.244% |
| 9 | Crucibelle | 2.65127% | 475 | 2.775% |
| 10 | Fidgit | 2.58245% | 531 | 3.102% |
| 11 | Aurumoth | 2.53457% | 402 | 2.349% |
| 12 | Hemogoblin | 2.44069% | 416 | 2.430% |
| 13 | Miasmaw | 2.40354% | 446 | 2.606% |
| 14 | Glimmora | 2.33565% | 415 | 2.425% |
| 15 | Malaconda | 2.30273% | 344 | 2.010% |
| 16 | Colossoil | 2.27639% | 419 | 2.448% |
| 17 | Cawmodore | 2.26328% | 428 | 2.501% |
| 18 | Voodoom | 2.11734% | 352 | 2.057% |
| 19 | Jumbao | 1.93018% | 369 | 2.156% |
| 20 | Arghonaut | 1.80004% | 299 | 1.747% |
weatherless...................86.79684%
offense.......................46.54895%
balance.......................29.00699%
hyperoffense..................16.80339%
sun...........................12.21093%
semistall..................... 4.79255%
voltturn...................... 3.07502%
stall......................... 2.84812%
rain.......................... 0.88040%
monotype...................... 0.84126%
trickroom..................... 0.70772%
choice........................ 0.61306%
sunoffense.................... 0.56240%
monofire...................... 0.30409%
sand.......................... 0.10470%
monobug....................... 0.10427%
monodragon.................... 0.10110%
monoghost..................... 0.08211%
monosteel..................... 0.07727%
monograss..................... 0.07512%
tailwind...................... 0.05490%
monoground.................... 0.04875%
rainoffense................... 0.04268%
sandstall..................... 0.03868%
monofairy..................... 0.03728%
monopoison.................... 0.02161%
monorock...................... 0.01869%
sunstall...................... 0.01732%
monoelectric.................. 0.01717%
monowater..................... 0.01698%
rainstall..................... 0.01549%
tricksun...................... 0.01107%
hail.......................... 0.00719%
sandoffense................... 0.00604%
monoflying.................... 0.00499%
monodark...................... 0.00441%
mononormal.................... 0.00345%
monofighting.................. 0.00337%
multiweather.................. 0.00006%

Stalliness (mean: -0.217)
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more negative = more offensive, more positive = more stall
one # = 0.45%
  • The most used CAP NFE is Flarelm :flarelm: with the place number 122, followed by Argalis:scratchet: in 158 and Coribalis :coribalis: in 172
  • The most used CAP LC is Voodoll :voodoll: in 209
  • Dragapult :dragapult: , Great Tusk :great-tusk:, Kingambit :kingambit:, and Gholdengo :gholdengo: are the most used non-CAP Pokémon.
  • Ababo and Scattervein are now in PS!
 
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oh boy new meta shift time for SHSP to post about it in the metagame thread

Seriously, though. Teal Mask meta is (mostly) implemented, and I'm curious to hear what's been working and what hasn't for you guys. I haven't played much CAP yet, but there are a few things I've got my eye on:

:ogerpon: It feels like most of the forms of this thing have potential to be really good. Hearthflame is pretty self explanatory at this point, and it really appreciates being able to prey on a lot of the CAP fatmons (argh, libra, even muscling through book with setup). Wellspring is really nice to have as well, does a lot of similar things and tends to be pretty resilient as well. Cornerstone is the one I'm most curious about, directly being able to Ivy Cudgel book as a physical attacker seems like a really huge boon, and I like how it seems to match up against the field so far. Base form losing a lot harder to book probably neuters it here, though.

:equilibra: :syclant: :aurumoth: These aren't live yet- we're working through the process of getting returned moves back onto what lost them- but the return of some powerful tools to these three's arsenals in particular is exciting. Libra getting Doom Desire is probably the biggest potential shift of the lot, and could set up a lot of really powerful gamestates. Syclant and Auru getting TG back also puts them in a really unique spot, and I'm curious if that can push them back into some viable positions.
 
I know Poltergeist got removed from Revenankh's Gen 9 movepool during a vote few months back, but since it's now a TM, will it get the move back, or is it forever down the memory hole?
 

fiish

formerly Elitemagikarp
I know Poltergeist got removed from Revenankh's Gen 9 movepool during a vote few months back, but since it's now a TM, will it get the move back, or is it forever down the memory hole?
poltergeist got removed from revenankh due to balance reasons, not because of the move not being a tm. it will probably get the move back due to the increased powerlevel
 

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