With old gens lower tiers being officially unlocked for tiering changes and NUPL coming to a close, it's the about time to start discussing tiering changes in the BW NU metagame.
Shadow Tag is, unsurprisingly, one of the centers of attention here. Even with Gothitelle being restricted to higher tiers, Gothorita does more than enough to stir up trouble in a limited NU metagame. With options like Trick, effectively shutting down any wall, and Calm Mind, giving you a chance to get a free +6/+6 if timed properly, Gothorita can flip games quicker than just about anything in the tier. Being able to cripple, eliminate, and/or set-up on common options like Alomomola, Duosion, Miltank, Musharna, Roselia, defensive Seismitoad, Regirock, Wartortle, and Audino is obviously going to open the door for trouble.
Prankster Copycat + Roar hazard shuffling is a strategy that has grown infamous for being mindlessly effective when paired with hazards, especially with the usage of Riolu. I do not have experience using this strategy myself because it makes my blood boil and I am a humble fella, but I have been asked to include it in this post by numerous parties and the reasoning why is straightforward. There are few natural ways around this strategy while a Pokemon as otherwise unviable as Riolu puts entire teams through the spin cycle, phasing them relentlessly until no longer possible while entry hazards accumulate damage. I think that parties with more experience should comment further, but this is absolutely a hot topic!
Baton Pass has been intermittently problematic in the BW NU metagame. Musharna is able to pass Calm Minds to various abusers, including speed boosting ones such as Combusken, which can cause major issues if the opponent has no priority. NU lacks the same full Baton Pass chains that other BW tiers have had over the years, which plagued a number of metagame states, but it does have an issue containing stacking of boosts with Baton Pass nonetheless. A simple discussion of if the move itself should be banned or left alone will be sufficient here; we are not looking to entertain any needlessly complex clauses at this point in time.
Sleep inducing moves were recently banned in both BW OU and BW RU, giving us a natural progression to discuss them here. I am actually of the opinion that they are not prevalent enough here to warrant a ban; only a small handful of viable Pokemon use Sleep Powder and there is not much else going on in this department in BW NU currently. However, if people wish to argue that this has a negative impact, then by all means do so and we will hear you out.
This is just a preliminary discussion, so anyone who feels strongly about the metagame should chime in. Thank you
Bughouse DnB PDC Wamr soulgazer Chill Shadow Raichy SoulWind Insult Raseri HSA SPACE FORCE meeps HJAD bugzinator shiloh GW Kushalos Star Jyph Yugon Shuckleking87 DurzaOffTopic -- tagging everyone who played BW NU over the last couple of NUPLs
Please note that this is not a formal voting pool, but just tagging people in case they are interested in discussion, and there will be a procedural thread posted on old generation voting that I am working on in the near future.
Shadow Tag is, unsurprisingly, one of the centers of attention here. Even with Gothitelle being restricted to higher tiers, Gothorita does more than enough to stir up trouble in a limited NU metagame. With options like Trick, effectively shutting down any wall, and Calm Mind, giving you a chance to get a free +6/+6 if timed properly, Gothorita can flip games quicker than just about anything in the tier. Being able to cripple, eliminate, and/or set-up on common options like Alomomola, Duosion, Miltank, Musharna, Roselia, defensive Seismitoad, Regirock, Wartortle, and Audino is obviously going to open the door for trouble.
Prankster Copycat + Roar hazard shuffling is a strategy that has grown infamous for being mindlessly effective when paired with hazards, especially with the usage of Riolu. I do not have experience using this strategy myself because it makes my blood boil and I am a humble fella, but I have been asked to include it in this post by numerous parties and the reasoning why is straightforward. There are few natural ways around this strategy while a Pokemon as otherwise unviable as Riolu puts entire teams through the spin cycle, phasing them relentlessly until no longer possible while entry hazards accumulate damage. I think that parties with more experience should comment further, but this is absolutely a hot topic!
Baton Pass has been intermittently problematic in the BW NU metagame. Musharna is able to pass Calm Minds to various abusers, including speed boosting ones such as Combusken, which can cause major issues if the opponent has no priority. NU lacks the same full Baton Pass chains that other BW tiers have had over the years, which plagued a number of metagame states, but it does have an issue containing stacking of boosts with Baton Pass nonetheless. A simple discussion of if the move itself should be banned or left alone will be sufficient here; we are not looking to entertain any needlessly complex clauses at this point in time.
Sleep inducing moves were recently banned in both BW OU and BW RU, giving us a natural progression to discuss them here. I am actually of the opinion that they are not prevalent enough here to warrant a ban; only a small handful of viable Pokemon use Sleep Powder and there is not much else going on in this department in BW NU currently. However, if people wish to argue that this has a negative impact, then by all means do so and we will hear you out.
This is just a preliminary discussion, so anyone who feels strongly about the metagame should chime in. Thank you
Bughouse DnB PDC Wamr soulgazer Chill Shadow Raichy SoulWind Insult Raseri HSA SPACE FORCE meeps HJAD bugzinator shiloh GW Kushalos Star Jyph Yugon Shuckleking87 DurzaOffTopic -- tagging everyone who played BW NU over the last couple of NUPLs
Please note that this is not a formal voting pool, but just tagging people in case they are interested in discussion, and there will be a procedural thread posted on old generation voting that I am working on in the near future.
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