Doubles Pelipper (QC 2/2) (GP 1/1)

[Yoda2798]

[OVERVIEW]

Pelipper's coveted Drizzle helps make it a premier choice for rain setter, with STAB Hurricane for pesky Grass-types and Tailwind providing further value to rain teams. These traits make it a more offensive option than its rival setter Politoed, which has greater bulk and range of utility options for a more supportive role. Hurricane is great for removing Grass-types like Rillaboom, Amoonguss, and Tsareena on behalf of teammates such as Urshifu-R and Kingdra, which are also prime beneficiaries of rain. Using Pokemon like them, and other rain teammates like Zapdos and Tornadus, is vital for making full use of Pelipper's utility. Unfortunately, outside of super effective hits, Pelipper is underwhelming offensively, and it's often a vulnerable target if left on the field due to its subpar bulk and middling Speed. Its particularly low Special Defense means even strong neutral attacks can be quite threatening. The problem is worsened by Pelipper's weakness to common Pokemon such as Kyurem-B, Tapu Fini, Zeraora, and Dragapult. This harms Pelipper's ability to set rain multiple times when needed, something the more defensive Politoed is usually better at doing.

[SET]
name: Rain Setter
move 1: Hurricane
move 2: Weather Ball / Scald
move 3: Tailwind
move 4: Protect
item: Eject Button / Damp Rock
ability: Drizzle
nature: Modest
evs: 132 HP / 192 SpA / 184 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

* Hurricane is strong, unable to miss in rain, and deals with Grass-types such as Rillaboom and Amoonguss, which resist rain-boosted Water-type attacks.

* Weather Ball is a powerful attack when used in rain, and it's generally Pelipper's strongest offensive option, but it's heavily reliant on weather dominance to be effective. Scald is a slightly weaker alternative that is functional outside of rain while offering burn utility.

* Tailwind helps make up for Pelipper's paltry Speed stat, and it provides utility to teammates. One important example use is to counter opposing Tailwind, which cramps Swift Swim partners like Kingdra.

* Protect keeps Pelipper safe while stalling field conditions such as Trick Room and Tailwind.

* Eject Button helps Pelipper switch out after setting rain, getting more offensive Pokemon in immediately to effectively use rain turns. On the other hand, Damp Rock increases how long rain lasts, meaning Pelipper needs to switch in less often.

* The given EV spread allows Pelipper to outspeed the majority of the unboosted metagame in Tailwind, up to and including Dragapult and Zeraora. Combined with a Modest nature, the Special Attack EVs make Hurricane a guaranteed 2HKO on standard Amoonguss through Sitrus Berry, while the remaining EVs are placed into HP to maximize Pelipper's limited bulk.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
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Wide Guard is useful for stopping strong spread attacks, most notably Zygarde's Thousand Arrows and Diancie's Diamond Storm. U-turn lets Pelipper pivot out to teammates to maintain momentum, though it's less useful if already carrying Eject Button. Focus Sash and Sitrus Berry are item options, but they are generally less effective in keeping rain up throughout the match than Eject Button and Damp Rock. Hydro Pump is Pelipper's strongest attack in rain and notably can KO standard Diancie; however, the minor increase in power over Weather Ball is brought down by suboptimal accuracy.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Yoda2798, 243662]]
- Quality checked by: [[zee, 501951], [Memoric, 215000]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Finland, 517429]]

 

[zee]

the big point in the overview i wanna touch on is that pelipper's offenses leave a lot to be desired if you aren't hitting something for super effective. you can lead this in to a mention of its poor bulk and talk about how it's very easy to just do nothing and die if left on the field, which is bad if it needs to stick around to set rain again

minor nitpick but throw in tsareena in the hurricane targets, it's quite solid and should be mentioned /somewhere/ in here

another minor point but what i love about pelipper + kingdra is that you can provide both tailwind and swift swim to kingdra, which makes checking it with just tw not great. i feel like this is probably good enough to mention with how often kingdra is seen with peli

probably worth mentioning running wide guard means leaving yourself vulnerable to more attacks in general since you're dropping protect, oo's got everything covered otherwise imo

qc 1/2 get

 

[Idyll]

check

great job.

Overview

• Pelipper's offensive nature doesn't necessarily make it "better", per se, and I don't think saying that Toed's supportive nature makes it "less impactful" is fully accurate either. Rewrite this to portray that it's more of a style difference than anything.
• Rewrite the bit on Hurricane to make the point that Grass-types are bad for rain explicit and that the rain abusers you mentioned will really appreciate it. The way it's written right now, the fact that Ursh and Kingdra benefit from rain seems quite secondary and tangential, when it should be explicit that these are the specifically the mons that the rain archetype is supporting.
• Highlight Pelipper's lack of special bulk in particular when you mention its stat deficiencies.

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[Adeleine]

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[OVERVIEW]

Pelipper's coveted ability in Drizzle makes Drizzle helps make it a premier choice for rain setter, with access to STAB Hurricane for pesky Grass-types and Tailwind providing further value to rain teams. These traits make it a more offensive option than its rival setter Politoed, whose which has greater bulk and range of support options lends it to utility options for a more supportive role. Hurricane is great for removing Grass-types like Rillaboom, Amoonguss, and Tsareena on behalf of teammates such as Urshifu-R and Kingdra, prime benefiters of rain who greatly appreciate the aforementioned Pokemon being dealt with. which are also prime beneficiaries of rain. Using Pokemon which benefit from rain like them, Zapdos, and Tornadus is vitally important to making full use of the utility Pelipper brings to the table. like them, and other rain teammates like Zapdos and Tornadus, is vital for making full use of Pelipper's utility. Unfortunately, outside of hitting super effective targets, super effective hits, Pelipper is underwhelming offensively, and it's often a vulnerable target if left on the field (RC) due to its subpar bulk and middling Speed. Its particularly (or did you mean "Particularly, its"?) low Special Defense means even strong neutral attacks can be quite threatening. The problem is worsened by Pelipper's weakness to common Pokemon such as Kyurem-B, Tapu Fini, Zeraora, and Dragapult. This harms Pelipper's ability to set rain multiple times when needed, something its more defensive competitor in the more defensive Politoed is usually better at doing.

[SET]
name: Rain Setter
move 1: Hurricane
move 2: Weather Ball / Scald
move 3: Tailwind
move 4: Protect
item: Eject Button / Damp Rock
ability: Drizzle
nature: Modest
evs: 132 HP / 192 SpA / 184 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

* Hurricane is strong, unable to miss in rain, and able to deal deals with Grass-types such as Rillaboom and Amoonguss, (AC) which resist rain-boosted Water-type attacks.

* Weather Ball is a powerful attack when used in rain, and it's generally Pelipper's strongest offensive option, but it's heavily reliant on weather dominance to be effective. Scald is a slightly weaker alternative which is more that is functional outside of rain (RC) while offering burn utility.

* Tailwind helps make up for Pelipper's paltry Speed stat, and it provides utility to teammates. One important example use is to counter opposing Tailwind, preventing it from being used to manage which cramps Swift Swim partners like Kingdra.

* Protect keeps Pelipper safe while stalling field conditions such as Trick Room or and Tailwind.

* Eject Button helps Pelipper switch out after setting rain, getting in more offensive Pokemon in immediately to make effective use of effectively use rain turns. On the other hand, Damp Rock increases how long rain lasts, meaning Pelipper needs to switch in less often.

* The given EV spread allows Pelipper to outspeed the majority of the unboosted metagame in Tailwind, upto up to and including Dragapult and Zeraora. Combined with a Modest nature, the Special Attack EVs make Hurricane a guaranteed 2HKO on standard Amoonguss through Sitrus Berry, while the remaining EVs are placed into HP to maximize Pelipper's limited bulk.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Wide Guard is useful for stopping strong spread attacks, most notably Zygarde's Thousand Arrows and Diancie's Diamond Storm. U-turn lets Pelipper pivot out to teammates to maintain momentum, though it's less useful if already carrying Eject Button. Focus Sash ensures Pelipper lives any single hit, while Sitrus Berry further boosts its bulk, but these items and Sitrus Berry are item options, but they are generally less effective in keeping rain up throughout the match compared to Eject Button/Damp Rock. than Eject Button and Damp Rock. Hydro Pump is Pelipper's strongest attack in rain and notably can KO standard Diancie, however Diancie; however, the minor increase in power over Weather Ball is brought down by suboptimal accuracy.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Yoda2798, 243662]]
- Quality checked by: [[zee, 501951], [Memoric, 215000]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Finland, 517429]]

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[zoe]

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