astralydia
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I've recently been playing a bit of STABmons Ubers and I find it a very entertaining metagame to theory, and especially to play. It reminds me of past gen Ubers in some ways with the limited amount of viable Defoggers and large amount of solid hazard setters. Here's a team that I particularly enjoy using:
https://pokepast.es/ceeb8ac221e007cf
This team involves Life Orb Kartana, an incredibly powerful wallbreaker in STAB Ubers that can do more than just demolish switchins with its STABs. Bullet Punch allows Kartana to claim at least 54% off of Geomancy Xerneas, which along with how the other team can punish Xerneas allows it to stave off one of the biggest threats in the metagame. Yveltal only helps to support Kartana in its wake of destruction as it will place significant pressure on Ho-oh, one of Kartana's best checks. Zygarde-Complete is its standard and most effective set (in my opinion) which continually shuffles Defoggers and mons with Ice coverage between having to deal with Spikes and Toxic - because of this synergy, I have opted to go without Stealth Rock simply because Spikes often carry more worth due to just how good Zygarde-Complete is as support. Tapu Koko is used here to both support Primal Kyogre and counter Yveltal as it can be a severe detriment to how this team works otherwise. Nature's Madness is opted for over Play Rough as Play Rough does 25-30% to Zygarde-Complete which is its only practical target. Primal Kyogre is also effectively standard, but Water Shuriken helps patch up any Primal Groudon weakness this team would have had otherwise, and is generally powerful priority to boot. Lunala finishes off the team by giving the team a soft Kyogre resist as well as being able to defog from Zygarde-Complete and Primal Groudon if needed.
I also decided to make some sort of guideline, despite the few days of Gen 7 that are left.
Here's my personal take on a STABmons Ubers VR:
EDIT: Companion Set Compendium here: https://pokepast.es/fdf6d254c514afe1
EDIT2: Ordered S - A- in viability order
https://pokepast.es/ceeb8ac221e007cf
This team involves Life Orb Kartana, an incredibly powerful wallbreaker in STAB Ubers that can do more than just demolish switchins with its STABs. Bullet Punch allows Kartana to claim at least 54% off of Geomancy Xerneas, which along with how the other team can punish Xerneas allows it to stave off one of the biggest threats in the metagame. Yveltal only helps to support Kartana in its wake of destruction as it will place significant pressure on Ho-oh, one of Kartana's best checks. Zygarde-Complete is its standard and most effective set (in my opinion) which continually shuffles Defoggers and mons with Ice coverage between having to deal with Spikes and Toxic - because of this synergy, I have opted to go without Stealth Rock simply because Spikes often carry more worth due to just how good Zygarde-Complete is as support. Tapu Koko is used here to both support Primal Kyogre and counter Yveltal as it can be a severe detriment to how this team works otherwise. Nature's Madness is opted for over Play Rough as Play Rough does 25-30% to Zygarde-Complete which is its only practical target. Primal Kyogre is also effectively standard, but Water Shuriken helps patch up any Primal Groudon weakness this team would have had otherwise, and is generally powerful priority to boot. Lunala finishes off the team by giving the team a soft Kyogre resist as well as being able to defog from Zygarde-Complete and Primal Groudon if needed.
I also decided to make some sort of guideline, despite the few days of Gen 7 that are left.
Here's my personal take on a STABmons Ubers VR:
S:
Zygarde-Complete
S-
Kartana
Yveltal
Kyogre-Primal
Xerneas
A+
Groudon-Primal
Marshadow
A
Ho-Oh
Gengar-Mega
Necrozma-Dusk-Mane
A-
Lunala
Lopunny-Mega
Giratina-Origin
Mewtwo-Mega-X
Necrozma-Ultra
B+
Magearna
Landorus-Therian
Tapu Lele
Tapu Koko
Tyranitar
Palkia
Silvally
B
Aerodactyl-Mega
Celesteela
Ferrothorn
Mewtwo-Mega-Y
Kyurem-Black
Tyranitar-Mega
Zekrom
B-
Blacephalon
Blaziken-Mega
Chansey
Deoxys-Speed
Excadrill
Lucario-Mega
Mewtwo
Salamence-Mega
Snorlax
C
Aegislash
Giratina
Naganadel
Necrozma-Dawn-Wings
Rayquaza
Thundurus
Fringe Viable:
Deoxys-Attack
Genesect
Pheromosa
Porygon-Z
Zygarde-Complete
S-
Kartana
Yveltal
Kyogre-Primal
Xerneas
A+
Groudon-Primal
Marshadow
A
Ho-Oh
Gengar-Mega
Necrozma-Dusk-Mane
A-
Lunala
Lopunny-Mega
Giratina-Origin
Mewtwo-Mega-X
Necrozma-Ultra
B+
Magearna
Landorus-Therian
Tapu Lele
Tapu Koko
Tyranitar
Palkia
Silvally
B
Aerodactyl-Mega
Celesteela
Ferrothorn
Mewtwo-Mega-Y
Kyurem-Black
Tyranitar-Mega
Zekrom
B-
Blacephalon
Blaziken-Mega
Chansey
Deoxys-Speed
Excadrill
Lucario-Mega
Mewtwo
Salamence-Mega
Snorlax
C
Aegislash
Giratina
Naganadel
Necrozma-Dawn-Wings
Rayquaza
Thundurus
Fringe Viable:
Deoxys-Attack
Genesect
Pheromosa
Porygon-Z
EDIT: Companion Set Compendium here: https://pokepast.es/fdf6d254c514afe1
Alternate Defensive PDon spread should be 252 HP / 208 Def / 48 SpD Relaxed - this takes a Life Orb Storm Throw from Marshadow after Stealth Rock - however this does not take on Kartana
An alternate move for Shadow Sneak on Marshadow is Mach Punch - this deals with Kartana and Choice Scarf Yveltal much better. Both can be combined but this does lock Marshadow out from dealing with Zygarde-Complete
Surprised I forgot Dragon Tail on DD Zygarde-Complete. Second option, run with Groundium and 184 Atk / 168 SpD / 156 Spe if you want to tank 0 SpA Xern Moonblast.
An alternate move for Shadow Sneak on Marshadow is Mach Punch - this deals with Kartana and Choice Scarf Yveltal much better. Both can be combined but this does lock Marshadow out from dealing with Zygarde-Complete
Surprised I forgot Dragon Tail on DD Zygarde-Complete. Second option, run with Groundium and 184 Atk / 168 SpD / 156 Spe if you want to tank 0 SpA Xern Moonblast.
EDIT2: Ordered S - A- in viability order
Lopunny-Mega: B -> A-
Xerneas: A+ -> S-
Kartana: A+ -> S-
Changelog 2
Yveltal S -> S-
Kyogre-Primal: A+ -> S-
Blacephalon: B+ -> B-
Ferrothorn: B+ -> B
Magearna: B -> B+
Mewtwo-Mega-X: B- -> A-
Xerneas: A+ -> S-
Kartana: A+ -> S-
Changelog 2
Yveltal S -> S-
Kyogre-Primal: A+ -> S-
Blacephalon: B+ -> B-
Ferrothorn: B+ -> B
Magearna: B -> B+
Mewtwo-Mega-X: B- -> A-
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