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Finals Official Smogon Tournament XII - Finals [no winner]
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To reiterate for the select few struggling to understand, irrespective of whether NJNP won his own games fairly, had he have been caught matty brollic earlier in the tour he would have immediately been banned and not in a position where he may be a potential winner. You can argue all you want about the legitimacy of his own games, fact is he broke a rule punishable by a tour ban.
i don't know nor give a fuck about njnp at all so let that preclude premature claims of bias
but i don't think he should have lost his trophy at all for this transgression. the intent and consequence of one's actions are relevant in determining the punishment. i have not seen the logs but it seems as if the actual incident is pretty tame, especially if it's as analytic described. considering the circumstances when presented like that, njnp's intent was not to cheat or ghost but instead, to answer a question for a friend when put into a difficult position; ie, ignoring your friend, as laurel alluded to. likewise, mattybrolic still lost and apparently did not make the move that njnp recommended. there was very little consequence. attempting wrongdoing is still punishable, don't get me wrong, and i think the tour ban is justified. but when considering that stripping the trophy and a 6 month tour ban is the same punishment that happened to people that were actually ghosted during the run and during the finals, we need to compare the wrongs and look at our punishment scale.
if we are to assume it was njnp's intent to do wrong...do we compare his wrongdoing with bouff's as if it's attempted murder v murder or something? b/c then there's a reasonable and significant difference in punishment. if we consider it as the difference between like killing ten people and a hundred, then there's really not much we can do to differentiate the crimes punishment wise and it makes sense to strip the trophy. i think it's more the former, and i don't think he had the intent to do wrong regardless, so i truly think removing his trophy is unjustified in this instance.
again i've never spoken to njnp ever so
but i don't think he should have lost his trophy at all for this transgression. the intent and consequence of one's actions are relevant in determining the punishment. i have not seen the logs but it seems as if the actual incident is pretty tame, especially if it's as analytic described. considering the circumstances when presented like that, njnp's intent was not to cheat or ghost but instead, to answer a question for a friend when put into a difficult position; ie, ignoring your friend, as laurel alluded to. likewise, mattybrolic still lost and apparently did not make the move that njnp recommended. there was very little consequence. attempting wrongdoing is still punishable, don't get me wrong, and i think the tour ban is justified. but when considering that stripping the trophy and a 6 month tour ban is the same punishment that happened to people that were actually ghosted during the run and during the finals, we need to compare the wrongs and look at our punishment scale.
if we are to assume it was njnp's intent to do wrong...do we compare his wrongdoing with bouff's as if it's attempted murder v murder or something? b/c then there's a reasonable and significant difference in punishment. if we consider it as the difference between like killing ten people and a hundred, then there's really not much we can do to differentiate the crimes punishment wise and it makes sense to strip the trophy. i think it's more the former, and i don't think he had the intent to do wrong regardless, so i truly think removing his trophy is unjustified in this instance.
again i've never spoken to njnp ever so
this is not something i expected from you. maybe we should investigate more into the matter regarding your involvement since you seem to know things about the case?
we've already said it when dekzeh posted, but i'll repeat it. we have evidence of ghosting - as well as admissions that are public for all to see - that extends beyond "asking for opinions on one turn". we're talking the "do x, do y, do z" dance and "what do i do now" from the other part. this was not a momentary lapse of reason, this was going on for three games in a series.
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die strong i wasnt a TD last year, sorry not sorry.
i hate when sportsmanship gets ruined by banning cheaters
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So when's the recreate happening?
TDs want to deport this
My friend blatantly didn't cheat, you're grasping at straws. I heard the same as Analytic, and I cannot agree with Blarajan more. There is no way NJNP's punishment should be as bad as Bouff, Mazar, Asuya, Bloo, anyone who had a clear intent to cheat and win, and don't get me wrong both Bouff and Bro Kappa are friends of mine too. I didn't defend either of them when they were banned because there was nothing to defend. This on the other hand is different, if my friend BLATANTLY cheated, like my other two friends did I would have nothing to say, but NJNP hardly did anything wrong at all. Yes even telling him to Taunt is wrong, but losing a trophy, I still disagree with and think that is excessive. If I were to see evidence of what Isa says of turn by turn ghosting for three games, this would be different.
Telling him to taunt is ghosting. Ghosting is not allowed. Doing something that is not allowed = blatanly cheating.
Id just let it go at this point bro beans, theres nothing anyone can do at this point. If you want to sit here and pat yourself on the back for thinking you have balls for doing w/e the fuck ur doing, go head, but ive given my two cents already so theres no use in quoting me anymore.
Id just let it go at this point bro beans, theres nothing anyone can do at this point. If you want to sit here and pat yourself on the back for thinking you have balls for doing w/e the fuck ur doing, go head, but ive given my two cents already so theres no use in quoting me anymore.
Ask Laurel, he made 2000$ today. Better ask him now, later today he has sex
I can't understand how you've been told multiple times over the course of this month that what njnp did was complete and blatant ghosting and you're STILL pretending he just "told him to taunt"
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