Ubers Obstagoon [QC 2/2] [GP 1/1]

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[OVERVIEW]

Obstagoon's unique Normal / Dark typing makes it immune to Ghost- and Psychic-type attacks, giving it a unique niche as the only fully evolved Pokemon immune to Calyrex-S's STAB moves. Its decent Attack stat and Guts + STAB-boosted Facade give it a powerful offensive presence; coverage moves such as Knock Off, Switcheroo, and Ice Punch enable it to further threaten metagame staples such as Yveltal, Necrozma-DM, and Lunala. Obstagoon is severely limited by its susceptibility to chip damage from burn and entry hazards. In addition, its lack of useful resistances beyond its niche and a middling Speed means it will be is easily OHKOed or 2HKOed by most threats in the tier. Thus, it faces competition with most physical attackers in the tier, such as Marshadow, Zekrom, and Rayquaza, which will find more opportunities to switch in and threaten the opposing team. Obstagoon also cannot function as a team's sole Ghost-type answer and as such constricts teambuilding.


[SET]
name: Physical Attacker
move 1: Knock Off
move 2: Facade
move 3: Ice Punch / Fire Punch / Parting Shot
move 4: Switcheroo / Bulk Up
item: Flame Orb
ability: Guts
nature: Adamant / Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Knock Off has a high chance to 2HKO specially defensive Necrozma-DM, OHKOes Calyrex-S, and has the great advantage of removing the foes' precious items, such as Ho-Oh and Yveltal's Heavy-Duty Boots, leaving them susceptible to Stealth Rock. Facade becomes extremely powerful once Obstagoon is burned, 2HKOing most foes that don't resist it, such as Eternatus, Yveltal, defensive Xerneas, and physically defensive Ho-Oh. Switcheroo lets it exchange its Flame Orb after it has been activated for a more useful item such as Leftovers, which mitigates the damage Obstagoon takes from its burn, greatly increasing its longevity. Meanwhile, Obstagoon can Bulk Up against Ghost-types that fail to damage it like non-Focus Sash Calyrex-S, physically offensive Giratina-O, and Shedinja, which makes it extremely menacing against most physical walls; at +1, Ice Punch OHKOes Zygarde before Power Construct, and Fire Punch Obstagoon OHKOes Ferrothorn. Obstagoon can opt for Parting Shot to become an offensive pivot. An Adamant nature maximizes its offensive presence, and once boosted, allows it to OHKO Lunala with Knock Off and offers a decent chance to OHKO Yveltal and specially defensive Necrozma-DM with a burn-boosted Facade or Knock Off, respectively. A Jolly nature allows it to Speed tie with Rayquaza and always outrun many foes with less than 95 base Speed like Groudon, Kyogre, Zekrom, and Ho-Oh; however, Obstagoon prefers the consistent wallbreaking power that an Adamant nature provides.

Obstagoon is mostly used on bulky offense teams, where its ability to threaten defensive staples like Xerneas, Lunala, Kyogre, and Yveltal is appreciated by offensive cleaners like Bulk Up Marshadow, Dragon Dance Zekrom, and Dragon Dance Necrozma-DM. Also, they break through Eternatus with more ease than Obstagoon, and in return, Obstagoon can either give its teammates more setup opportunities with Parting Shot or wear down its teammates' checks with its STAB moves. It also serves as the best answer to Choice-locked Calyrex-S; on top of being immune to both its Psychic- and Ghost-type moves, Calyrex-S will be crippled by Flame Orb if it uses Trick on Obstagoon, while Obstagoon can later Trick its received Choice item back to another foe thanks to Switcheroo. While using Obstagoon, it's extremely important to play cautiously around Knock Off users before it has activated its Flame Orb, as Obstagoon is dead weight prior to activation. Yveltal is able to choose between more offensive sets featuring Life Orb, Hone Claws, or even a Choice item because Obstagoon's presence relieves some of the pressure on it. Obstagoon is hindered by entry hazards, so it appreciates Defog support: Ho-Oh, in particular, melts entry hazard setters like Ferrothorn and Necrozma-DM and can Thunder Wave foes like Eternatus and Yveltal, which lets Obstagoon outspeed and 2HKO them reliably with Facade. Wish support from Clefable and Blissey vastly increase Obstagoon's longevity, letting it break through the opposing team more reliably. Blissey can also Thunder Wave foes like Marshadow and Yveltal on an anticipated switch in, which Obstagoon can capitalizes on to KO them. Glare Zygarde is another great paralysis spreader that switches into Marshadow for Obstagoon, while Substitute + Dragon Dance Zygarde takes advantage of burned foes like Yveltal, Necrozma-DM, and Groudon to use Substitute. SubSeed Calyrex-S and SubSeed Calyrex-I take advantage of burned foes like Yveltal and Necrozma-DM to put immense pressure on the opposing team; also, they can OHKO Eternatus with their STAB moves. The latter especially likes the support Obstagoon offers in dealing with opposing Calyrex-S. Obstagoon can also be used in Sticky Web teams, which make up for its middling Speed and makes a Guts-boosted Obstagoon extremely difficult to stop. In return, Obstagoon is an excellent Calyrex-S switch-in, one of the best anti-offense tools which can easily revenge kill Obstagoon's teammates. It also threatens the most common Defog users in the tier, such as Yveltal, Ho-Oh, and Lunala, but can't switch into them repeatedly.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
====

An alternative EV spread of 168 HP / 248 Atk / 92 Spe lets Obstagoon survive a +2 Draining Kiss from Calyrex-S and increases its overall bulk while outrunning Adamant Dracovish, but the loss in Speed is detrimental and makes it potentially slower than common threats like offensive Ho-Oh, offensive Calm Mind Kyogre, Groudon, and Zygarde. Fling can be added to this spread to offer a chance for Obstagoon to take on Focus Sash Calyrex-S on one-on-one, which has a 75% to OHKO Calyrex-S thanks to the burn damage.

Check and Counters
====

**Steel-types**: Ferrothorn is one of the best checks to Obstagoon: while it does not want to take a Guts-boosted Fire Punch, physically defensive Ferrothorn is able to tank Knock Off and OHKO Obstagoon with Body Press or deplete Obstagoon's HP with chip damage from Iron Barbs and entry hazards. Skarmory and Corviknight can mitigate any damage taken from Obstagoon with Roost and also OHKO it with Body Press. Finally, Zamazenta-C is resistant to Obstagoon's STAB moves and Fire Punch fails to 3HKO it, meaning Zamazenta-C can use Obstagoon as setup fodder.

**Chip Damage**: All forms of chip damage heavily cripple Obstagoon, as it does not have any form of recovery and is slowly chipped already by its burn; thus, Rocky Helmet damage, Iron Barbs, and Leech Seed damage from foes like Toxapex, Tangrowth, and Ferrothorn can all quickly reduce its longevity. While SubSeed Calyrex-S cannot damage Obstagoon directly with its STAB moves, Leech Seed + Substitute in combination with the burn damage drain its HP fast enough to force Obstagoon out.

**Strong Attackers**: Obstagoon is relatively fragile by the Ubers standards, and is threatened by most neutral moves in the tier, such as Zekrom's Bolt Strike, Eternatus's Dynamax Cannon, and Yveltal's Oblivion Wing.

**Zygarde**: While it does not appreciate receiving a Flame Orb and cannot take a +1 Guts-boosted Ice Punch, Zygarde completely walls Obstagoon otherwise and can use it as setup fodder with its Coil set.

**Faster Threats**: Due to its middling Speed and insufficient defensive stats, Obstagoon is extremely weak to any foes that outrun it. For example, Marshadow is immune to Facade and OHKO it with Low Kick or Close Combat, even though it has to be cautious to not take a Knock Off and doesn't like Parting Shot. A Speed boosted Zekrom can OHKO Obstagoon with Bolt Strike, and Life Orb Eternatus can heavily damage Obstagoon and shrug off some of the damage it takes in return thanks to Recover.

**Super Effective Coverage**: While it does not appreciate taking Facade, U-turn Yveltal severely weakens Obstagoon, and pivots to faster teammates that force Obstagoon out. Choice-locked Calyrex-S is usually completely walled by Obstagoon, but Nasty Plot Calyrex-S can easily OHKO it with a +2 Draining Kiss, and rarer options like Pollen Puff on Choice Specs variant can claim a surprise OHKO on Obstagoon.


[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Eledyr, 415367]]
- Quality checked by: [[FatFighter2, 526363], [Lasen, 273339], [Aberforth, 249382]]
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Definitely not Obstagoon
no.


Its middling Attack boosted by Guts and access to useful moves in Knock Off, Fire Punch, and Switcheroo gives it a fair presence overall, capable to threaten staples in the tier such as Yveltal, Necrozma-Dusk-Manes, and Lunala and acting as a potent status absorber.
"middling" "fair" and "capable" make goon seem like its not very strong and offensively potent. Should mention stab facade guts (main appeal) which makes goon look way stronger than it should be.


However, Obstagoon is severely limited by its insufficient stats
its stats aren't actually that bad (guts makes up for atk, bulk isn't bad) but imo its mainly held back by a lack of entry points, no longevity, and middling speed.


Thus, it is outclassed by most physical attackers in the tier, such as Marshadow, Zekrom, and Rayquaza, which either hits harder, or have a much better bulk.
without boosts its actually naturally stronger with guts facade than all these mons (guts facade stronger than jolly cb cc from marsh), but obstagoon has less longevity/bulk/speed/good resists than these mons


move 3: Fire Punch / Parting Shot
move 4: Switcheroo
Whenever I've used obstagoon, ive always used BU cause +1 goon gets to 1hko stuff which is cool (calcs at the bottom), but non bu can work on fatter builds too. The advantage that bu obstagoon has over bu marshadow is that it has more tangable defensive use vs caly and is much more powerful. Other move options I've tried are ice punch to ohko defensive zyg at +1, obstruct to always proc flame orb and to defense drop random shit, and fling if u want to try to 1v1 sash caly on the switch (fling flame orb burns target, so the 30 bp flame orb fling + 6% burn has a 75% chance to ohko caly).


nature: Jolly
Ive never used jolly just because obstagoon desperately wants power imo (e.g. 252+ Atk Guts Obstagoon Facade (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Xerneas: 219-258 (48 - 56.5%) -- 85.9% chance to 2HKO), but jolly could be ok if ur worried about 306 mons or have a sticky web goon team and want to outspeed caly s with webs up.


evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
could add a spread with adamant 184 hp/252 atk/72 speed to the OO section, the hp lets it always live a +2 dkiss and is nice extra bulk, and there isn't THAT much important stuff between 244 speed and 289 or 317 except for the fast base 90s.


[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
1. using goon with wish clef/bliss is kinda cool to maximize longevity
2. twave support is super nice for it
3. mention that you really want to activate flame orb before u get tricked by caly because a non burned obstagoon is so horrible to have to play with
4. sticky webs can be cool with goon to take advantage of the ohko potential at +1
calcs:
+1 252+ Atk Guts Obstagoon Facade (140 BP) vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Yveltal: 459-540 (100.8 - 118.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252+ Atk Guts Obstagoon Facade (140 BP) vs. 164 HP / 0 Def Eternatus: 459-540 (99.3 - 116.8%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
+1 252+ Atk Guts Obstagoon Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Prism Armor Necrozma-Dusk-Mane: 370-438 (92.9 - 110%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

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[OVERVIEW]

Obstagoon's unique Normal/Dark typing in Normal- / Dark-types makes it immune to Ghost- and Psychic-type attacks, giving it a unique niche as the only Pokemon immune to both Calyrex-S's STABs (I know this is not right but idk how to fix it properly. "immune to Calyrex-S's usual attacks"?). Its outwardly middling (?) decent Attack stat, boosted by Guts and access to an extremely powerful STAB boosted Facade and useful moves in Knock Off, Fire Punch(this is currently a 2nd slash and reads awkwardly. I think making it about Knock->Switcheroo->"good coverage options" is better), and Switcheroo gives it a good offensive presence, capable allowing Obstagoon to threaten staples in the tier such as Yveltal, Necrozma-Dusk-Manes, and Lunala and acting as a potent status absorber. However, Obstagoon is severely limited by its poor defensive typing, letting it crippled by Stealth Rock and Spikes in addition to the burn damage, and combined with its lack of useful resistances and a middling Speed, it will be easily 2HKO or OHKO by most threats in the tier. Thus, it faces a competition with most physical attackers in the tier such as Marshadow, Zekrom, and Rayquaza, which will find more opportunities to switch in and threaten the opposing team. Obstagoon also cannot function as a team's sole Ghost-type answer and as such constricts teambuilding.

[SET]
name: Physical Attacker
move 1: Knock Off
move 2: Facade
move 3: Ice Punch / Fire Punch / Parting Shot
move 4: Switcheroo / Bulk Up
item: Flame Orb
ability: Guts
nature: Adamant / Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Guts boosts Obstagoon's Attack to great levels thanks to the Flame Orb, and let it hits many foes in the tier with its STAB Knock Off and its powerful boosted Facade.(fluff) The former one having Knock Off has a high chance to 2HKO specially defensive Necrozma-Dusk-Manes, as well as it OHKOes Calyrex-S, and has the great advantage of removing the foes's precious items, such as Ho-Oh and Yveltal's Heavy-Duty Boots, letting them crippled by leaving them susceptible to Stealth Rock. Facade becomes extremely powerful once Obstagoon is burned, capable to 2HKOing most foes that doesn't resist it, such as Eternatus, Yveltal, defensive Xerneas, and physically defensive Ho-Oh. Switcheroo let it exchange its Flame Orb after it's been activated for a more useful one, one of the best being item such as Leftovers, which mitigates the damages Obstagoon takes from its burn, greatly increasing its longevity. Meanwhile, Obstagoon can take advantage of Ghost-types that fail to damage it like non Focus Sash Calyrex-S, physically offensive Giratina-O, and Shedinja to set up a Bulk Up, which makes it extremely menacing against most physical walls; at +1, Fire Punch lets Obstagoon OHKO Ferrothorn, and Ice Punch OHKOes Zygarde before Power Construct(switch order to reflect set). An Adamant nature maximizes its offensive presence, and once boosted, allows it to OHKO Lunala with Knock Off and offers a decent chance to OHKO Yveltal and specially defensive Necrozma-DM with a burn-boosted Facade or Knock Off, respectively. A Jolly nature allows it to Speed tie with Rayquaza and always outrun many foes with less than 95 base Speed like Groudon, Kyogre, Zekrom, Ho-Oh, and Adamant Solgaleo (too niche), however Facade becomes extremely inconsistent at 2HKOing defensive Xerneas. Obstagoon can opt for Parting Shot to let it serves as an offensive pivot.(move next to other coverage)

Obstagoon is mostly used in bulky offense(suggesting Bliss as a BO teammate is sus), where its ability to threatens several defensive staples like Xerneas, Lunala, Kyogre, and Yveltal can be utilized by offensive cleaners like Bulk Up Marshadow, Dragon Dance Zekrom, and Dragon Dance Necrozma-DM. The latter two can beat Eternatus, and in return, Obstagoon can soften its foe's offensive stats thanks to Parting Shot, which lets setup sweepers more opportunity to setup. (These two sentences are really confusing as discussed on discord, change appropriately. also, Parting Shot not always used) It also serves as the best answer to Choice-locked Calyrex-S; on top of being immune to both its Psychic- and Ghost-types moves, Calyrex-S will be crippled if its uses Trick on Obstagoon switching in due to Flame Orb, while Obstagoon can later Trick its received Choice item back to an other foe thanks to Switcheroo. While playing using Obstagoon, it's extremely important to play cautiously around Knock Off users before it has activated its Flame Orb, as Obstagoon is a dead weight as long it is not burned. Because It frees some pressure on Yveltal, it can run a more offensive set, like a Life Orb, a Hone Claws, or a Choice item set. Obstagoon is heavily crippled by entry hazards, so it appreciates the support of defoggers. Ho-Oh,(AC) in particular, melts entry hazard setters like Ferrothorn and Necrozma-DM, and can spread paralysis on foes like Eternatus and Yveltal, which lets Obstagoon 2HKO them reliably with Facade. Wish support from Clefable and Blissey vastly increase Obstagoon's longevity, letting it break through the opposing team more reliably. Blissey can also spread paralysis on foes like Marshadow and Yveltal on an anticipated switch, which Obstagoon appreciate to so it can KO them without worry. Zygarde is an other great paralysis spreader which stands as a great Marshadow switch in, while Substitute + Dragon Dance Zygarde takes advantage of burned foes like Yveltal, Necrozma-DM, and Groudon to set its Substitute up without it breaking to a sole blow. SubSeed Calyrex-S and SubSeed Calyrex-I takes advantage of burned foes like Yveltal and Necrozma-DM to put an immense pressure on the opposing team, and can OHKO Eternatus with their STAB moves. The latter is especially likes the support Obstagoon offers to deal with the opposing Calyrex-S. Obstagoon can also be used in Sticky Web teams, which patch its middling Speed and makes a +1 burned Obstagoon extremely difficult to stop. In return, Obstagoon is an excellent Calyrex-S switch-in, one of the best anti-offense(AH) tools which is can easily forced to revenge kill Obstagoon's teammates(I imagine this is what you meant) foes. It also threatens the most common Defog users in the tier, being Yveltal, Ho-Oh, and Lunala, but can't switch into them repeatedly.


[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
====

An alternative EV spread of 184 HP / 252 Atk / 72 Spe lets Obstagoon survive a +2 Draining Kiss from Calyrex-S and increases its overall bulk, but the loss in Speed is detrimental and makes it susceptible to be outrun by common threats like offensive Ho-Oh, offensive Calm Mind Kyogre, Groudon, and Zygarde. Fling can be combined this spread to offers a chance to Obstagoon to take on Focus Sash Calyrex-S on one-on-one, which has a 75% to OHKO Calyrex-S thanks to the burn damage.

Check and Counters
====

**Steel-types**: Obstagoon struggles to break through Steel-types; Ferrothorn is for example one of the best check to Obstagoon; while it does not want to take a Guts boosted Fire Punch, physically defensive Ferrothorn doesn't take much from Knock Off, and Iron Barbs quickly depletes Obstagoon's HPs, while it can setup its entry hazards which reduce even more Obstagoon's longevity and threaten to OHKO it with Body Press. Skarmory and Corviknight don't take much from any of Obstagoon's moves and can easily mitigate the damage they take from it with Roost, while in return they can OHKO it with Body Press too. (bring up Zamazenta-C here or make it the 2nd bullet point.)

**Chip Damage**: All forms of chip damage heavily cripple Obstagoon, as it does not have any form of recovery and is slowly chipped already by its burn; Rocky Helmet damage, Iron Barbs and Leech Seed damages from foes like Toxapex, Tangrowth, and Ferrothorn can all quickly reduce its longevity. While SubSeed Calyrex-S cannot damage Obstagoon directly with its STAB moves, Leech Seed + Substitute in combination with the burn damage drain its HP fast enough to force Obstagoon out.

**Strong Attackers**: Obstagoon is relatively fragile regarding by the Ubers standards, and is threaten by most neutral moves in the tier, such as Zekrom's Bolt Strike, Eternatus's Dynamax Cannon, and Yveltal's Oblivion Wing.

**Zygarde**: While it does not appreciate to receive a Flame Orb, Zygarde completely walls Obstagoon otherwise and can use it as setup fodder with its Coil set.

**Faster Threats**: Due to its middling Speed and insufficient defensive stats, Obstagoon is extremely sensitive to any foe that outrun it. Marshadow for example is immune to Facade and threaten to OHKO it with Low Kick or Close Combat, even though it has to be cautious to not take a Knock Off and doesn't like Parting Shot. A Speed boosted Mixed Zekrom can OHKO Obstagoon with Bolt Strike, and Life Orb Eternatus can heavily damage Obstagoon and shrug off some of the damage it takes in return thanks to Recover.

**Super Effective Coverage**: While it does not appreciate to take taking Facade, U-Turn Yveltal inflicts a lot to Obstagoon, on top of giving to its faster teammates the momentum needed to force Obstagoon out. Choice Item Calyrex-S is completely walled by Obstagoon, but Nasty Plot Calyrex-S can easily OHKO it with a +2 Draining Kiss, and rarer options like Pollen Puff on Choice Specs variant can take a surprise OHKO on Obstagoon.


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- Written by: [[Eledyr, 415367]]
- Quality checked by: [[Lasen, 273339], [username2, userid2]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1], [username2, userid2]]


Good job as always, please remember the oxford comma when listing 3+ items (a, b, and c NOT a, b and c) and remember not to make words like HP and damage into plural! I've been working on this for 6 hours on and off and got lazy so I hope 2nd QC picks up my slack.

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[OVERVIEW]

Obstagoon's unique Normal/Dark typing in Normal- / Dark-types makes it immune to Ghost- and Psychic-type attacks, giving it a unique niche as the only Pokemon immune to both Calyrex-S's STABs (I know this is not right but idk how to fix it properly. "immune to Calyrex-S's usual attacks"?). Its outwardly middling (?) decent Attack stat, boosted by Guts and access to an extremely powerful STAB boosted Facade and useful moves in Knock Off, Fire Punch(this is currently a 2nd slash and reads awkwardly. I think making it about Knock->Switcheroo->"good coverage options" is better), and Switcheroo gives it a good offensive presence, capable allowing Obstagoon to threaten staples in the tier such as Yveltal, Necrozma-Dusk-Manes, and Lunala and acting as a potent status absorber. However, Obstagoon is severely limited by its poor defensive typing, letting it crippled by Stealth Rock and Spikes in addition to the burn damage, and combined with its lack of useful resistances and a middling Speed, it will be easily 2HKO or OHKO by most threats in the tier. Thus, it faces a competition with most physical attackers in the tier such as Marshadow, Zekrom, and Rayquaza, which will find more opportunities to switch in and threaten the opposing team. Obstagoon also cannot function as a team's sole Ghost-type answer and as such constricts teambuilding.

[SET]
name: Physical Attacker
move 1: Knock Off
move 2: Facade
move 3: Ice Punch / Fire Punch / Parting Shot
move 4: Switcheroo / Bulk Up
item: Flame Orb
ability: Guts
nature: Adamant / Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Guts boosts Obstagoon's Attack to great levels thanks to the Flame Orb, and let it hits many foes in the tier with its STAB Knock Off and its powerful boosted Facade.(fluff) The former one having Knock Off has a high chance to 2HKO specially defensive Necrozma-Dusk-Manes, as well as it OHKOes Calyrex-S, and has the great advantage of removing the foes's precious items, such as Ho-Oh and Yveltal's Heavy-Duty Boots, letting them crippled by leaving them susceptible to Stealth Rock. Facade becomes extremely powerful once Obstagoon is burned, capable to 2HKOing most foes that doesn't resist it, such as Eternatus, Yveltal, defensive Xerneas, and physically defensive Ho-Oh. Switcheroo let it exchange its Flame Orb after it's been activated for a more useful one, one of the best being item such as Leftovers, which mitigates the damages Obstagoon takes from its burn, greatly increasing its longevity. Meanwhile, Obstagoon can take advantage of Ghost-types that fail to damage it like non Focus Sash Calyrex-S, physically offensive Giratina-O, and Shedinja to set up a Bulk Up, which makes it extremely menacing against most physical walls; at +1, Fire Punch lets Obstagoon OHKO Ferrothorn, and Ice Punch OHKOes Zygarde before Power Construct(switch order to reflect set). An Adamant nature maximizes its offensive presence, and once boosted, allows it to OHKO Lunala with Knock Off and offers a decent chance to OHKO Yveltal and specially defensive Necrozma-DM with a burn-boosted Facade or Knock Off, respectively. A Jolly nature allows it to Speed tie with Rayquaza and always outrun many foes with less than 95 base Speed like Groudon, Kyogre, Zekrom, Ho-Oh, and Adamant Solgaleo (too niche), however Facade becomes extremely inconsistent at 2HKOing defensive Xerneas. Obstagoon can opt for Parting Shot to let it serves as an offensive pivot.(move next to other coverage)

Obstagoon is mostly used in bulky offense(suggesting Bliss as a BO teammate is sus), where its ability to threatens several defensive staples like Xerneas, Lunala, Kyogre, and Yveltal can be utilized by offensive cleaners like Bulk Up Marshadow, Dragon Dance Zekrom, and Dragon Dance Necrozma-DM. The latter two can beat Eternatus, and in return, Obstagoon can soften its foe's offensive stats thanks to Parting Shot, which lets setup sweepers more opportunity to setup. (These two sentences are really confusing as discussed on discord, change appropriately. also, Parting Shot not always used) It also serves as the best answer to Choice-locked Calyrex-S; on top of being immune to both its Psychic- and Ghost-types moves, Calyrex-S will be crippled if its uses Trick on Obstagoon switching in due to Flame Orb, while Obstagoon can later Trick its received Choice item back to an other foe thanks to Switcheroo. While playing using Obstagoon, it's extremely important to play cautiously around Knock Off users before it has activated its Flame Orb, as Obstagoon is a dead weight as long it is not burned. Because It frees some pressure on Yveltal, it can run a more offensive set, like a Life Orb, a Hone Claws, or a Choice item set. Obstagoon is heavily crippled by entry hazards, so it appreciates the support of defoggers. Ho-Oh,(AC) in particular, melts entry hazard setters like Ferrothorn and Necrozma-DM, and can spread paralysis on foes like Eternatus and Yveltal, which lets Obstagoon 2HKO them reliably with Facade. Wish support from Clefable and Blissey vastly increase Obstagoon's longevity, letting it break through the opposing team more reliably. Blissey can also spread paralysis on foes like Marshadow and Yveltal on an anticipated switch, which Obstagoon appreciate to so it can KO them without worry. Zygarde is an other great paralysis spreader which stands as a great Marshadow switch in, while Substitute + Dragon Dance Zygarde takes advantage of burned foes like Yveltal, Necrozma-DM, and Groudon to set its Substitute up without it breaking to a sole blow. SubSeed Calyrex-S and SubSeed Calyrex-I takes advantage of burned foes like Yveltal and Necrozma-DM to put an immense pressure on the opposing team, and can OHKO Eternatus with their STAB moves. The latter is especially likes the support Obstagoon offers to deal with the opposing Calyrex-S. Obstagoon can also be used in Sticky Web teams, which patch its middling Speed and makes a +1 burned Obstagoon extremely difficult to stop. In return, Obstagoon is an excellent Calyrex-S switch-in, one of the best anti-offense(AH) tools which is can easily forced to revenge kill Obstagoon's teammates(I imagine this is what you meant) foes. It also threatens the most common Defog users in the tier, being Yveltal, Ho-Oh, and Lunala, but can't switch into them repeatedly.


[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
====

An alternative EV spread of 184 HP / 252 Atk / 72 Spe lets Obstagoon survive a +2 Draining Kiss from Calyrex-S and increases its overall bulk, but the loss in Speed is detrimental and makes it susceptible to be outrun by common threats like offensive Ho-Oh, offensive Calm Mind Kyogre, Groudon, and Zygarde. Fling can be combined this spread to offers a chance to Obstagoon to take on Focus Sash Calyrex-S on one-on-one, which has a 75% to OHKO Calyrex-S thanks to the burn damage.

Check and Counters
====

**Steel-types**: Obstagoon struggles to break through Steel-types; Ferrothorn is for example one of the best check to Obstagoon; while it does not want to take a Guts boosted Fire Punch, physically defensive Ferrothorn doesn't take much from Knock Off, and Iron Barbs quickly depletes Obstagoon's HPs, while it can setup its entry hazards which reduce even more Obstagoon's longevity and threaten to OHKO it with Body Press. Skarmory and Corviknight don't take much from any of Obstagoon's moves and can easily mitigate the damage they take from it with Roost, while in return they can OHKO it with Body Press too. (bring up Zamazenta-C here or make it the 2nd bullet point.)

**Chip Damage**: All forms of chip damage heavily cripple Obstagoon, as it does not have any form of recovery and is slowly chipped already by its burn; Rocky Helmet damage, Iron Barbs and Leech Seed damages from foes like Toxapex, Tangrowth, and Ferrothorn can all quickly reduce its longevity. While SubSeed Calyrex-S cannot damage Obstagoon directly with its STAB moves, Leech Seed + Substitute in combination with the burn damage drain its HP fast enough to force Obstagoon out.

**Strong Attackers**: Obstagoon is relatively fragile regarding by the Ubers standards, and is threaten by most neutral moves in the tier, such as Zekrom's Bolt Strike, Eternatus's Dynamax Cannon, and Yveltal's Oblivion Wing.

**Zygarde**: While it does not appreciate to receive a Flame Orb, Zygarde completely walls Obstagoon otherwise and can use it as setup fodder with its Coil set.

**Faster Threats**: Due to its middling Speed and insufficient defensive stats, Obstagoon is extremely sensitive to any foe that outrun it. Marshadow for example is immune to Facade and threaten to OHKO it with Low Kick or Close Combat, even though it has to be cautious to not take a Knock Off and doesn't like Parting Shot. A Speed boosted Mixed Zekrom can OHKO Obstagoon with Bolt Strike, and Life Orb Eternatus can heavily damage Obstagoon and shrug off some of the damage it takes in return thanks to Recover.

**Super Effective Coverage**: While it does not appreciate to take taking Facade, U-Turn Yveltal inflicts a lot to Obstagoon, on top of giving to its faster teammates the momentum needed to force Obstagoon out. Choice Item Calyrex-S is completely walled by Obstagoon, but Nasty Plot Calyrex-S can easily OHKO it with a +2 Draining Kiss, and rarer options like Pollen Puff on Choice Specs variant can take a surprise OHKO on Obstagoon.


[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Eledyr, 415367]]
- Quality checked by: [[Lasen, 273339], [username2, userid2]]
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Good job as always, please remember the oxford comma when listing 3+ items (a, b, and c NOT a, b and c) and remember not to make words like HP and damage into plural! I've been working on this for 6 hours on and off and got lazy so I hope 2nd QC picks up my slack.

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Instead of Obstagoon being "crippled by" Rocks and spikes, rephrase it so say its worn down quickly. Its not so weak to rocks as a boots-less ho-oh, for example.

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Instead of Obstagoon being "crippled by" Rocks and spikes, rephrase it so say its worn down quickly. Its not so weak to rocks as a boots-less ho-oh, for example.

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[OVERVIEW]

Obstagoon's unique Normal/Dark typing makes it immune to Ghost- and Psychic-type attacks, giving it a unique niche as the only Pokemon immune to Calyrex-S's STAB moves. usual attacks. Its decent Attack stat, boosted by Guts and access to an extremely powerful STAB boosted Facade and useful moves in Knock Off, Switcheroo, and useful coverages in Fire Punch and Ice Punch give it a good offensive presence, allowing Obstagoon to threaten staples in the tier such as Yveltal, Necrozma-Dusk-Mane, and Lunala and acting as a potent status absorber. Its decent Attack stat and Guts-boosted Facade give it a powerful offensive presence; coverage moves such as Knock Off, Switcheroo, and Ice Punch enable it to further threaten metagame staples such as Yveltal, Necrozma-DM, and Lunala. Obstagoon is severely limited by its susceptibility to chip damage from burn and entry hazards. poor defensive typing, letting it worn down by Stealth Rock and Spikes in addition to the burn damage. IIn addition, its lack of useful resistances beyond its niche (Otherwise, this is contradictory w/ the first sentence) and a middling Speed means it will be is easily 2HKO or OHKOed or 2HKOed by most threats in the tier. Thus, it faces a competition with most physical attackers in the tier,(comma) such as Marshadow, Zekrom, and Rayquaza, which will find more opportunities to switch in and threaten the opposing team. Obstagoon also cannot function as a team's sole Ghost-type answer and as such constricts teambuilding.


[SET]
name: Physical Attacker
move 1: Knock Off
move 2: Facade
move 3: Ice Punch / Fire Punch / Parting Shot
move 4: Switcheroo / Bulk Up
item: Flame Orb
ability: Guts
nature: Adamant / Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Knock Off has a high chance to 2HKO specially defensive Necrozma-DM, OHKOes Calyrex-S, and has the great advantage of removing the foes's precious items, such as Ho-Oh and Yveltal's Heavy-Duty Boots, leaving them susceptible to Stealth Rock. Facade becomes extremely powerful once Obstagoon is burned, 2HKOing most foes that doesn't resist it, such as Eternatus, Yveltal, defensive Xerneas, and physically defensive Ho-Oh. Switcheroo lets it exchange its Flame Orb after it's been activated for a more useful item such as Leftovers, which mitigates the damage Obstagoon takes from its burn, greatly increasing its longevity. Meanwhile, Obstagoon can take advantage of Bulk Up against Ghost-types that fail to damage it like non Focus Sash Calyrex-S, physically offensive Giratina-O, and Shedinja,(comma) to set up a Bulk Up, which makes it extremely menacing against most physical walls:(colon);(semicolon) aAt +1, Ice Punch OHKOes Zygarde before Power Construct, and Fire Punch lets Obstagoon OHKOes Ferrothorn. Obstagoon can opt for Parting Shot to let it serves as become an offensive pivot. An Adamant nature maximizes its offensive presence, and once boosted, allows it to OHKO Lunala with Knock Off and offers a decent chance to OHKO Yveltal and specially defensive Necrozma-DM with a burn-boosted Facade or Knock Off, respectively. A Jolly nature allows it to Speed tie with Rayquaza and always outrun many foes with less than 95 base Speed like Groudon, Kyogre, Zekrom, and Ho-Oh;(semicolon),(comma) however,(comma) Obstagoon prefers the consistent wallbreaking power that an Adamant nature provides. the decreased power is notable and for example, Obstagoon becomes extremely inconsistent at 2HKOing defensive Xerneas with Facade and at OHKOing specially defensive Necrozma-DM with a +1 Guts boosted Knock Off. (To my understanding, these calcs were already explicitly mentioned)

Obstagoon is mostly used in bulky offense, where its ability to threaten several defensive staples like Xerneas, Lunala, Kyogre, and Yveltal can be utilized is appreciated by offensive cleaners like Bulk Up Marshadow, Dragon Dance Zekrom, and Dragon Dance Necrozma-DM. Also, Tthey beat break through Eternatus with more ease than Obstagoon, and in return, Obstagoon can either soften give its teammates more setup opportunities its foe's offensive stats thanks to with Parting Shot, which lets setup sweepers more opportunity to setup, or wear down its teammates' checks with its STAB moves.(period)combination to help them breaking through the opposing team. It also serves as the best answer to Choice-locked Calyrex-S; on top of being immune to both its Psychic- and Ghost-type moves, Calyrex-S will be crippled by Flame Orb if it uses Trick on Obstagoon,(comma) switching in due to Flame Orb, while Obstagoon can later Trick its received Choice item back to an(space)other foe thanks to Switcheroo. While using Obstagoon, it's extremely important to play cautiously around Knock Off users before it has activated its Flame Orb, as Obstagoon is dead weight prior to activation. as long it is not burned. Because it frees some pressure on Yveltal, it can run a more offensive set, like a Life Orb, a Hone Claws, or a Choice item set. Yveltal is able to choose between more offensive sets featuring Life Orb, Hone Claws, or even a Choice item because Obstagoon's presence (as a Dark-type?) relieves some of the pressure on it. (The original version sounds like you're saying obstagoon can run those things, which obviously isn't the case) Obstagoon is hindered by entry hazards, so it appreciates the support of defoggers defog support:(colon).(period) Ho-Oh, in particular, melts entry hazard setters like Ferrothorn and Necrozma-DM, and can spread paralysis on Thunder Wave foes like Eternatus and Yveltal, which lets Obstagoon outspeed and 2HKO them reliably with Facade. Wish support from Clefable and Blissey vastly increase Obstagoon's longevity, letting it break through the opposing team more reliably. Blissey can also spread paralysis on Thunder Wave foes like Marshadow and Yveltal on an anticipated switch-in, which Obstagoon appreciate so it can capitalizes on to KO them.(period) without worry. Glare Zygarde is an(space)other great paralysis spreader which that switches into stands as a great Marshadow switch in for Obstagoon, while Substitute + Dragon Dance Zygarde takes advantage of burned foes like Yveltal, Necrozma-DM, and Groudon to set its use Substitute.(period) up without it breaking to a sole blow. SubSeed Calyrex-S and SubSeed Calyrex-I takes advantage of burned foes like Yveltal and Necrozma-DM to put an immense pressure on the opposing team;(semicolon),(comma) and also, they can OHKO Eternatus with their STAB moves. The latter especially likes the support Obstagoon offers to in dealing with the opposing Calyrex-S. Obstagoon can also be used in Sticky Web teams, which patch make up for its middling Speed,(comma) and makes a +1 burned Guts-boosted Obstagoon extremely difficult to stop. In return, Obstagoon is an excellent Calyrex-S switch-in, one of the best anti-offense tools which can easily revenge kill Obstagoon's teammates. It also threatens the most common Defog users in the tier, being Yveltal, Ho-Oh, and Lunala, but can't switch into them repeatedly.


[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
====

An alternative EV spread of 168 HP / 248 Atk / 92 Spe lets Obstagoon survive a +2 Draining Kiss from Calyrex-S and increases its overall bulk while outrunning Adamant Dracovish, but the loss in Speed is detrimental and makes it potentially slower than susceptible to be outrun by common threats like offensive Ho-Oh, offensive Calm Mind Kyogre, Groudon, and Zygarde. Fling can be added to this spread to offer a chance to Obstagoon to take on Focus Sash Calyrex-S on one-on-one, which has a 75% to OHKO Calyrex-S thanks to the burn damage.

Check and Counters
====

**Steel-types**: Obstagoon struggles to break through Steel-types; Ferrothorn is for example one of the best checks to Obstagoon:(colon);(semicolon) wWhile it does not want to take a Guts-(add hypen)boosted Fire Punch, physically defensive Ferrothorn is able to tank Knock Off and OHKO Obstagoon with Body Press, or deplete Obstagoon's HP with chip damage from Iron Barbs and entry hazards. doesn't take much from Knock Off, and Iron Barbs quickly depletes Obstagoon's HPs, while it can setup its entry hazards which reduce even more Obstagoon's longevity and threaten to OHKO it with Body Press. Skarmory and Corviknight can mitigate any damage taken from Obstagoon with Roost and don't take much from any Obstagoon's moves and can easily mitigate the damage they take from it with Roost, while in return they can also OHKO it with Body Press.(period) too. Finally, Zamazenta-C finally, is resistant to Obstagoon's STAB moves and takes very little damage to any moves Obstagoon can throw at it, as Fire Punch fails to 3HKO it, meaning Zamazenta-C can use Obstagoon as setup fodder.

**Chip Damage**: All forms of chip damage heavily cripple Obstagoon, as it does not have any form of recovery and is slowly chipped already by its burn; thus, Rocky Helmet damage, Iron Barbs,(comma) and Leech Seed damages from foes like Toxapex, Tangrowth, and Ferrothorn can all quickly reduce its longevity. While SubSeed Calyrex-S cannot damage Obstagoon directly with its STAB moves, Leech Seed + Substitute in combination with the burn damage drain its HP fast enough to force Obstagoon out.

**Strong Attackers**: Obstagoon is relatively fragile by the Ubers standards, and is threatened by most neutral moves in the tier, such as Zekrom's Bolt Strike, Eternatus's Dynamax Cannon, and Yveltal's Oblivion Wing.

**Zygarde**: While it does not appreciate to receive receiving a Flame Orb and cannot take a +1 Guts-boosted Ice Punch, Zygarde completely walls Obstagoon otherwise and can use it as setup fodder with its Coil set.

**Faster Threats**: Due to its middling Speed and insufficient defensive stats, Obstagoon is extremely sensitive weak to any foes that outrun it. For example, Marshadow for example is immune to Facade and threaten to OHKOes it with Low Kick or Close Combat, even though it has to be cautious to not take a Knock Off and doesn't like Parting Shot. A Speed boosted mixed Zekrom can OHKO Obstagoon with Bolt Strike, and Life Orb Eternatus can heavily damage Obstagoon and shrug off some of the damage it takes in return thanks to Recover.

**Super Effective Coverage**: While it does not appreciate taking Facade, U-Tturn Yveltal inflicts a lot to severely weakens Obstagoon, on top of giving and pivots to its faster teammates the momentum needed to that force Obstagoon out. Choice-locked item Calyrex-S is usually completely walled by Obstagoon, but Nasty Plot Calyrex-S can easily OHKO it with a +2 Draining Kiss, and rarer options like Pollen Puff on Choice Specs variant can take claim a surprise OHKO on Obstagoon.


[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Eledyr, 415367]]
- Quality checked by: [[FatFighter2, 526363], [Lasen, 273339], [Aberforth, 249382]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1], [username2, userid2]]
 
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[OVERVIEW]

Obstagoon's unique Normal / Dark add spaces around the slash typing makes it immune to Ghost- and Psychic-type attacks, giving it a unique niche as the only fully evolved Pokemon immune to Calyrex-S's STAB moves. Its decent Attack stat and Guts + STAB-boosted Facade give it a powerful offensive presence; coverage moves such as Knock Off, Switcheroo, and Ice Punch enable it to further threaten metagame staples such as Yveltal, Necrozma-DM, and Lunala. Obstagoon is severely limited by its susceptibility to chip damage from burn and entry hazards. In addition, its lack of useful resistances beyond its niche and a middling Speed means it will be is easily OHKOed or 2HKOed by most threats in the tier. Thus, it faces a competition with most physical attackers in the tier, such as Marshadow, Zekrom, and Rayquaza, which will find more opportunities to switch in and threaten the opposing team. Obstagoon also cannot function as a team's sole Ghost-type answer and as such constricts teambuilding.


[SET]
name: Physical Attacker
move 1: Knock Off
move 2: Facade
move 3: Ice Punch / Fire Punch / Parting Shot
move 4: Switcheroo / Bulk Up
item: Flame Orb
ability: Guts
nature: Adamant / Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Knock Off has a high chance to 2HKO specially defensive Necrozma-DM, OHKOes Calyrex-S, and has the great advantage of removing the foes's foes' precious items, such as Ho-Oh and Yveltal's Heavy-Duty Boots, leaving them susceptible to Stealth Rock. Facade becomes extremely powerful once Obstagoon is burned, 2HKOing most foes that doesn't don't resist it, such as Eternatus, Yveltal, defensive Xerneas, and physically defensive Ho-Oh. Switcheroo lets it exchange its Flame Orb after it's it has been activated for a more useful item such as Leftovers, which mitigates the damage Obstagoon takes from its burn, greatly increasing its longevity. Meanwhile, Obstagoon can Bulk Up against Ghost-types that fail to damage it like non-Focus hyphen Sash Calyrex-S, physically offensive Giratina-O, and Shedinja, which makes it extremely menacing against most physical walls: At walls; at +1, Ice Punch OHKOes Zygarde before Power Construct, and Fire Punch lets Obstagoon OHKOes Ferrothorn. Obstagoon can opt for Parting Shot to become an offensive pivot. An Adamant nature maximizes its offensive presence, and once boosted, allows it to OHKO Lunala with Knock Off and offers a decent chance to OHKO Yveltal and specially defensive Necrozma-DM with a burn-boosted Facade or Knock Off, respectively. A Jolly nature allows it to Speed tie with Rayquaza and always outrun many foes with less than 95 base Speed like Groudon, Kyogre, Zekrom, and Ho-Oh; however, Obstagoon prefers the consistent wallbreaking power that an Adamant nature provides.

Obstagoon is mostly used in on bulky offense teams, where its ability to threaten defensive staples like Xerneas, Lunala, Kyogre, and Yveltal is appreciated by offensive cleaners like Bulk Up Marshadow, Dragon Dance Zekrom, and Dragon Dance Necrozma-DM. Also, they break through Eternatus with more ease than Obstagoon, and in return, Obstagoon can either give its teammates more setup opportunities with Parting Shot, (comma) or wear down its teammates' checks with its STAB moves. It also serves as the best answer to Choice-locked Calyrex-S; on top of being immune to both its Psychic- and Ghost-type moves, Calyrex-S will be crippled by Flame Orb if it uses Trick on Obstagoon, while Obstagoon can later Trick its received Choice item back to another foe thanks to Switcheroo. While using Obstagoon, it's extremely important to play cautiously around Knock Off users before it has activated its Flame Orb, as Obstagoon is dead weight prior to activation. Yveltal is able to choose between more offensive sets featuring Life Orb, Hone Claws, or even a Choice item because Obstagoon's presence relieves some of the pressure on it. Obstagoon is hindered by entry hazards, so it appreciates Defog support: Ho-Oh, in particular, melts entry hazard setters like Ferrothorn and Necrozma-DM, (comma) and can Thunder Wave foes like Eternatus and Yveltal, which lets Obstagoon outspeed and 2HKO them reliably with Facade. Wish support from Clefable and Blissey vastly increase Obstagoon's longevity, letting it break through the opposing team more reliably. Blissey can also Thunder Wave foes like Marshadow and Yveltal on an anticipated switch-in switch in, which Obstagoon can capitalizes on to KO them. Glare Zygarde is another great paralysis spreader that switches into Marshadow for Obstagoon, while Substitute + Dragon Dance Zygarde takes advantage of burned foes like Yveltal, Necrozma-DM, and Groudon to use Substitute. SubSeed Calyrex-S and SubSeed Calyrex-I take advantage of burned foes like Yveltal and Necrozma-DM to put immense pressure on the opposing team; also, they can OHKO Eternatus with their STAB moves. The latter especially likes the support Obstagoon offers in dealing with opposing Calyrex-S. Obstagoon can also be used in Sticky Web teams, which make up for its middling Speed, (comma) and makes a Guts-boosted Obstagoon extremely difficult to stop. In return, Obstagoon is an excellent Calyrex-S switch-in, one of the best anti-offense tools which can easily revenge kill Obstagoon's teammates. It also threatens the most common Defog users in the tier, being such as Yveltal, Ho-Oh, and Lunala, but can't switch into them repeatedly.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
====

An alternative EV spread of 168 HP / 248 Atk / 92 Spe lets Obstagoon survive a +2 Draining Kiss from Calyrex-S and increases its overall bulk while outrunning Adamant Dracovish, but the loss in Speed is detrimental and makes it potentially slower than common threats like offensive Ho-Oh, offensive Calm Mind Kyogre, Groudon, and Zygarde. Fling can be added to this spread to offer a chance to for Obstagoon to take on Focus Sash Calyrex-S on one-on-one, which has a 75% to OHKO Calyrex-S thanks to the burn damage.

Check and Counters
====

**Steel-types**: Ferrothorn is one of the best checks to Obstagoon: while it does not want to take a Guts-boosted Fire Punch, physically defensive Ferrothorn is able to tank Knock Off and OHKO Obstagoon with Body Press, (comma) or deplete Obstagoon's HP with chip damage from Iron Barbs and entry hazards. Skarmory and Corviknight can mitigate any damage taken from Obstagoon with Roost and also OHKO it with Body Press. Finally, Zamazenta-C is resistant to Obstagoon's STAB moves and Fire Punch fails to 3HKO it, meaning Zamazenta-C can use Obstagoon as setup fodder.

**Chip Damage**: All forms of chip damage heavily cripple Obstagoon, as it does not have any form of recovery and is slowly chipped already by its burn; thus, Rocky Helmet damage, Iron Barbs, and Leech Seed damage from foes like Toxapex, Tangrowth, and Ferrothorn can all quickly reduce its longevity. While SubSeed Calyrex-S cannot damage Obstagoon directly with its STAB moves, Leech Seed + Substitute in combination with the burn damage drain its HP fast enough to force Obstagoon out.

**Strong Attackers**: Obstagoon is relatively fragile by the Ubers standards, and is threatened by most neutral moves in the tier, such as Zekrom's Bolt Strike, Eternatus's Dynamax Cannon, and Yveltal's Oblivion Wing.

**Zygarde**: While it does not appreciate receiving a Flame Orb and cannot take a +1 Guts-boosted Ice Punch, Zygarde completely walls Obstagoon otherwise and can use it as setup fodder with its Coil set.

**Faster Threats**: Due to its middling Speed and insufficient defensive stats, Obstagoon is extremely weak to any foes that outrun it. For example, Marshadow is immune to Facade and OHKO it with Low Kick or Close Combat, even though it has to be cautious to not take a Knock Off and doesn't like Parting Shot. A Speed boosted Zekrom can OHKO Obstagoon with Bolt Strike, and Life Orb Eternatus can heavily damage Obstagoon and shrug off some of the damage it takes in return thanks to Recover.

**Super Effective Coverage**: While it does not appreciate taking Facade, U-turn Yveltal severely weakens Obstagoon, and pivots to faster teammates that force Obstagoon out. Choice-locked Calyrex-S is usually completely walled by Obstagoon, but Nasty Plot Calyrex-S can easily OHKO it with a +2 Draining Kiss, and rarer options like Pollen Puff on Choice Specs variant can claim a surprise OHKO on Obstagoon.


[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Eledyr, 415367]]
- Quality checked by: [[FatFighter2, 526363], [Lasen, 273339], [Aberforth, 249382]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Isaiah, 375662], [UT, 523866]]

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[OVERVIEW]

Obstagoon's unique Normal / Dark add spaces around the slash typing makes it immune to Ghost- and Psychic-type attacks, giving it a unique niche as the only fully evolved Pokemon immune to Calyrex-S's STAB moves. Its decent Attack stat and Guts + STAB-boosted Facade give it a powerful offensive presence; coverage moves such as Knock Off, Switcheroo, and Ice Punch enable it to further threaten metagame staples such as Yveltal, Necrozma-DM, and Lunala. Obstagoon is severely limited by its susceptibility to chip damage from burn and entry hazards. In addition, its lack of useful resistances beyond its niche and a middling Speed means it will be is easily OHKOed or 2HKOed by most threats in the tier. Thus, it faces a competition with most physical attackers in the tier, such as Marshadow, Zekrom, and Rayquaza, which will find more opportunities to switch in and threaten the opposing team. Obstagoon also cannot function as a team's sole Ghost-type answer and as such constricts teambuilding.


[SET]
name: Physical Attacker
move 1: Knock Off
move 2: Facade
move 3: Ice Punch / Fire Punch / Parting Shot
move 4: Switcheroo / Bulk Up
item: Flame Orb
ability: Guts
nature: Adamant / Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Knock Off has a high chance to 2HKO specially defensive Necrozma-DM, OHKOes Calyrex-S, and has the great advantage of removing the foes's foes' precious items, such as Ho-Oh and Yveltal's Heavy-Duty Boots, leaving them susceptible to Stealth Rock. Facade becomes extremely powerful once Obstagoon is burned, 2HKOing most foes that doesn't don't resist it, such as Eternatus, Yveltal, defensive Xerneas, and physically defensive Ho-Oh. Switcheroo lets it exchange its Flame Orb after it's it has been activated for a more useful item such as Leftovers, which mitigates the damage Obstagoon takes from its burn, greatly increasing its longevity. Meanwhile, Obstagoon can Bulk Up against Ghost-types that fail to damage it like non-Focus hyphen Sash Calyrex-S, physically offensive Giratina-O, and Shedinja, which makes it extremely menacing against most physical walls: At walls; at +1, Ice Punch OHKOes Zygarde before Power Construct, and Fire Punch lets Obstagoon OHKOes Ferrothorn. Obstagoon can opt for Parting Shot to become an offensive pivot. An Adamant nature maximizes its offensive presence, and once boosted, allows it to OHKO Lunala with Knock Off and offers a decent chance to OHKO Yveltal and specially defensive Necrozma-DM with a burn-boosted Facade or Knock Off, respectively. A Jolly nature allows it to Speed tie with Rayquaza and always outrun many foes with less than 95 base Speed like Groudon, Kyogre, Zekrom, and Ho-Oh; however, Obstagoon prefers the consistent wallbreaking power that an Adamant nature provides.

Obstagoon is mostly used in on bulky offense teams, where its ability to threaten defensive staples like Xerneas, Lunala, Kyogre, and Yveltal is appreciated by offensive cleaners like Bulk Up Marshadow, Dragon Dance Zekrom, and Dragon Dance Necrozma-DM. Also, they break through Eternatus with more ease than Obstagoon, and in return, Obstagoon can either give its teammates more setup opportunities with Parting Shot, (comma) or wear down its teammates' checks with its STAB moves. It also serves as the best answer to Choice-locked Calyrex-S; on top of being immune to both its Psychic- and Ghost-type moves, Calyrex-S will be crippled by Flame Orb if it uses Trick on Obstagoon, while Obstagoon can later Trick its received Choice item back to another foe thanks to Switcheroo. While using Obstagoon, it's extremely important to play cautiously around Knock Off users before it has activated its Flame Orb, as Obstagoon is dead weight prior to activation. Yveltal is able to choose between more offensive sets featuring Life Orb, Hone Claws, or even a Choice item because Obstagoon's presence relieves some of the pressure on it. Obstagoon is hindered by entry hazards, so it appreciates Defog support: Ho-Oh, in particular, melts entry hazard setters like Ferrothorn and Necrozma-DM, (comma) and can Thunder Wave foes like Eternatus and Yveltal, which lets Obstagoon outspeed and 2HKO them reliably with Facade. Wish support from Clefable and Blissey vastly increase Obstagoon's longevity, letting it break through the opposing team more reliably. Blissey can also Thunder Wave foes like Marshadow and Yveltal on an anticipated switch-in switch in, which Obstagoon can capitalizes on to KO them. Glare Zygarde is another great paralysis spreader that switches into Marshadow for Obstagoon, while Substitute + Dragon Dance Zygarde takes advantage of burned foes like Yveltal, Necrozma-DM, and Groudon to use Substitute. SubSeed Calyrex-S and SubSeed Calyrex-I take advantage of burned foes like Yveltal and Necrozma-DM to put immense pressure on the opposing team; also, they can OHKO Eternatus with their STAB moves. The latter especially likes the support Obstagoon offers in dealing with opposing Calyrex-S. Obstagoon can also be used in Sticky Web teams, which make up for its middling Speed, (comma) and makes a Guts-boosted Obstagoon extremely difficult to stop. In return, Obstagoon is an excellent Calyrex-S switch-in, one of the best anti-offense tools which can easily revenge kill Obstagoon's teammates. It also threatens the most common Defog users in the tier, being such as Yveltal, Ho-Oh, and Lunala, but can't switch into them repeatedly.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
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An alternative EV spread of 168 HP / 248 Atk / 92 Spe lets Obstagoon survive a +2 Draining Kiss from Calyrex-S and increases its overall bulk while outrunning Adamant Dracovish, but the loss in Speed is detrimental and makes it potentially slower than common threats like offensive Ho-Oh, offensive Calm Mind Kyogre, Groudon, and Zygarde. Fling can be added to this spread to offer a chance to for Obstagoon to take on Focus Sash Calyrex-S on one-on-one, which has a 75% to OHKO Calyrex-S thanks to the burn damage.

Check and Counters
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**Steel-types**: Ferrothorn is one of the best checks to Obstagoon: while it does not want to take a Guts-boosted Fire Punch, physically defensive Ferrothorn is able to tank Knock Off and OHKO Obstagoon with Body Press, (comma) or deplete Obstagoon's HP with chip damage from Iron Barbs and entry hazards. Skarmory and Corviknight can mitigate any damage taken from Obstagoon with Roost and also OHKO it with Body Press. Finally, Zamazenta-C is resistant to Obstagoon's STAB moves and Fire Punch fails to 3HKO it, meaning Zamazenta-C can use Obstagoon as setup fodder.

**Chip Damage**: All forms of chip damage heavily cripple Obstagoon, as it does not have any form of recovery and is slowly chipped already by its burn; thus, Rocky Helmet damage, Iron Barbs, and Leech Seed damage from foes like Toxapex, Tangrowth, and Ferrothorn can all quickly reduce its longevity. While SubSeed Calyrex-S cannot damage Obstagoon directly with its STAB moves, Leech Seed + Substitute in combination with the burn damage drain its HP fast enough to force Obstagoon out.

**Strong Attackers**: Obstagoon is relatively fragile by the Ubers standards, and is threatened by most neutral moves in the tier, such as Zekrom's Bolt Strike, Eternatus's Dynamax Cannon, and Yveltal's Oblivion Wing.

**Zygarde**: While it does not appreciate receiving a Flame Orb and cannot take a +1 Guts-boosted Ice Punch, Zygarde completely walls Obstagoon otherwise and can use it as setup fodder with its Coil set.

**Faster Threats**: Due to its middling Speed and insufficient defensive stats, Obstagoon is extremely weak to any foes that outrun it. For example, Marshadow is immune to Facade and OHKO it with Low Kick or Close Combat, even though it has to be cautious to not take a Knock Off and doesn't like Parting Shot. A Speed boosted Zekrom can OHKO Obstagoon with Bolt Strike, and Life Orb Eternatus can heavily damage Obstagoon and shrug off some of the damage it takes in return thanks to Recover.

**Super Effective Coverage**: While it does not appreciate taking Facade, U-turn Yveltal severely weakens Obstagoon, and pivots to faster teammates that force Obstagoon out. Choice-locked Calyrex-S is usually completely walled by Obstagoon, but Nasty Plot Calyrex-S can easily OHKO it with a +2 Draining Kiss, and rarer options like Pollen Puff on Choice Specs variant can claim a surprise OHKO on Obstagoon.


[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Eledyr, 415367]]
- Quality checked by: [[FatFighter2, 526363], [Lasen, 273339], [Aberforth, 249382]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Isaiah, 375662], [UT, 523866]]

GP 1/1! Thanks to Isaiah's great AM check, I am passing this at "1/1." Please credit both of us in the grammar credit line.



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Thank you so much UT and Isaiah, again analysis wouldn't have their quality without your help & hard work :psyglad:
And with this analysis done, UBERS IS DONE. :quagchamppogsire::quagchamppogsire::quagchamppogsire:
 
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