viivian
OU's sweetheart
got a few mentions from this thread after posting so i thought i'd respond to some
FWIW i have played more of the current meta recently and i have adapted significantly more to walking wake than when i wrote that post. with that being said, i still find it problematic for the time being, as well as being too hard to consistently answer defensively, with or without support from sun (or rain), but its speed tier, while amazing, means it (annoyingly) loses out to some really common offensive pokemon, such as dragapult and iron valiant, for instance. i'm moreso in the middle now than i was prior, since while it is very hard to wall thanks to its STABs and weather support, as well as it having the near perfect speed tier to abuse both, it's sometimes not fast enough to beat certain threats without burning tera, and, as you said, resetting its weather can be seriously problematic for it, even though it can function perfectly fine without it. now i just don't know what to do with wake, whereas i was strongly in favor of banning it beforeThe tone of this thread has really shifted from its' inception though. A lot of people supported a ban 2 weeks ago. There's still some who do but the last page of people who got reqs have all said DNB. Real_Corviknight said ban but by their own admission they havent played enough to adapt to it yet. Of course to a player whos yet to apadt it'll seem suffocating. Walking wake doesnt run the tier like Chi-yu or Flutter mane, and loses 1v1 to common pokemon unless you give it a free switch. I wouldnt be worried, I think it was jumping the gun on the suspect but the outcome will likely be do not ban.
tyranitar loses to literally every other pokemon in the meta though, not to mention how it's completely outclassed as a defensive rock type by garganacl. yeah, AV tyranitar could be a niche anti-sun team tech but who cares when it not only has a bad matchup against everything else in OU but also hard loses to a sun staple in great tusk? i see the point you're trying to make but i respectfully suggest that you find a better example than a pokemon who has fallen off hard and is currently struggling to find a place for itself as of nowHeres a creative set:
252 SpA Choice Specs Walking Wake Hydro Steam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Tyranitar in Sand: 122-146 (30.1 - 36.1%) -- 52.4% chance to 3HKO
yes thats CHOICE SPECS SUPEREFFECTIVE hit. for whatever reason people are either lazy or stubborn theres a hundred and one ways to tackle this thing. BOOHOO i cant use the pokemon that smogon teambuilder told me were OU worthy.
That zero attack tyranitar can 2hko back with dragon claw or assurance. Or run ice beam for when they switch great tusk into it. Dont give walking wake a free switch. thats your fault for letting your guard down, plenty of other pokemon can run away with the game if you give them a free turn. WW is no different.
fully agreed, all of these could definitely give it trouble but the issue is that only one of them has been confirmed to be returning, and it's not even in the HOME meta. not exactly relevant as of now or the near future.i know 2 tapus who are going to give that thing grief. Alolan ninetails resets weather and immune to dragon. Primarina. Mantine if youre desperate. none of these pokemon are deadweight even mantine can learn defog and roost