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Project Next Best Thing: USUM UU (Week 45: Jellicent - Submissions)
- Thread starter Sickist
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twilight
Congratulations to Twilight for winning this week with his OTR Zong set! Had to bring in viv to break that 4-way tie :|
On that note, we have pretty much completely run out of ideas for mons with unexplored versatility that are viable in UU. Because of that, we're gonna put the project on hiatus until we get some new material. If we do. We may not.
See you later, folks, and thanks for all the fun weeks!
On that note, we have pretty much completely run out of ideas for mons with unexplored versatility that are viable in UU. Because of that, we're gonna put the project on hiatus until we get some new material. If we do. We may not.
See you later, folks, and thanks for all the fun weeks!
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Alright, week 47 time!
To start us off again will be Hoopa! Recently re-established back on the VR, Hoopa is a stall destroyer with it's standard NP set. That set is also blacklisted, so let's see what you all can come up with for a next best thing!
Submissions are due Friday. Good luck!
To start us off again will be Hoopa! Recently re-established back on the VR, Hoopa is a stall destroyer with it's standard NP set. That set is also blacklisted, so let's see what you all can come up with for a next best thing!
Hoopa @ Fightinium Z / Ghostium Z
Ability: Magician
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Nasty Plot
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast / Substitute
- Substitute / Psyshock
Ability: Magician
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Nasty Plot
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast / Substitute
- Substitute / Psyshock
Submissions are due Friday. Good luck!
Hoopa @ Choice Specs
Ability: Magician
EVs: 248 SpA / 8 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Shadow Ball
- Psyshock
- Focus Blast
- Trick
Now we all know Hoopa has the natural highest base special attack stat in the entire tier. Using specs boosts it to the extreme without boosting and a lack of a solid ghost resist other than blissey, which is 2HKO by psyshock so with right predictions Blissey is considered not good vs Hoopa, besides its normally setup fodder. Below will be some calcs to prove that switch ins dont exist with proper predictions. This set is kinda prediction reliant but its an effective wallbreaker. Trick is useful to cripple walls, causing an unfavorable matchup
248 SpA Choice Specs Hoopa Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 394-465 (55.1 - 65.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
248 SpA Choice Specs Hoopa Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Bisharp: 144-171 (53.1 - 63%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
248 SpA Choice Specs Hoopa Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 180+ SpD Empoleon: 165-195 (44.3 - 52.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery yes a 3HKO but what can it do back
248 SpA Choice Specs Hoopa Shadow Ball vs. 164 HP / 0 SpD Scizor: 262-309 (81.3 - 95.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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Hoopa @ Iapapa Berry
Ability: Magician
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Nasty Plot
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- Substitute
Similar in a way to Sub Z sets, except this one lets you set up more substitutes, and once iapapa berry has been procced you can also steal an enemies item too. 4 HP on this set allows you to proc the berry after 3 subs instead of 4.
This set has very similar role to the sub Z sets, but has certain advantages over the standard Z sets, as it gives you a better matchup vs common stall answers such as nihilego due to the recovery from berry, allows you to set up more substitutes and care less about things such as weak scalds from tentacruel. It can also make you harder to deal with if you happen to steal beneficial items such as leftovers, or even let you sweep a more offensive team if you stole a choice scarf, however there is a downside in that stealing items such as black sludge from tentacruel / nihilego will slowly kill you after, but it will take 5 turns for this damage to outweigh the recovery from berry still.
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Substitute+Calm Mind Hoopa
Hoopa @ Aguav Berry
Ability: Magician
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Calm Mind
- Shadow Ball
- Psyshock
- Substitute
General idea
You may think that Calm Mind is generally outclassed by Nasty Plot, but the +1 SpD is really underrated a lot because it has a natural synergy with Substitute.
0 SpA Florges Moonblast vs. +1 0 HP / 4 SpD Hoopa: 60-72 (19.9 - 23.9%) -- possible 5HKO
0 SpA Diancie Moonblast vs. +1 0 HP / 4 SpD Hoopa: 55-66 (18.2 - 21.9%) -- possible 5HKO
0 SpA Empoleon Scald vs. +1 0 HP / 4 SpD Hoopa: 51-60 (16.9 - 19.9%) -- guaranteed 6HKO
In these examples, the Substitute is not broken with a single attack and Aguav Berry allows Hoopa to use CM one or two more times. Without the item, even Magician can be useful to steal one item before fainting.
With no HP EVs Hoopa has 301 HP, enough to make 4 Substitutes and keep itself alive at 1 HP.
A Timid nature is recommended in order to reach 262 Spe points, enough to speed tie with 252+ Spe Bisharp, Decidueye, Magneton and Volcanion.
Team(mates) support
A way to deal proporly with Pursuit users is recommended and, also, a slow U-turn/Volt Switch is recommended.
Hoopa @ Aguav Berry
Ability: Magician
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Calm Mind
- Shadow Ball
- Psyshock
- Substitute
General idea
You may think that Calm Mind is generally outclassed by Nasty Plot, but the +1 SpD is really underrated a lot because it has a natural synergy with Substitute.
0 SpA Florges Moonblast vs. +1 0 HP / 4 SpD Hoopa: 60-72 (19.9 - 23.9%) -- possible 5HKO
0 SpA Diancie Moonblast vs. +1 0 HP / 4 SpD Hoopa: 55-66 (18.2 - 21.9%) -- possible 5HKO
0 SpA Empoleon Scald vs. +1 0 HP / 4 SpD Hoopa: 51-60 (16.9 - 19.9%) -- guaranteed 6HKO
In these examples, the Substitute is not broken with a single attack and Aguav Berry allows Hoopa to use CM one or two more times. Without the item, even Magician can be useful to steal one item before fainting.
With no HP EVs Hoopa has 301 HP, enough to make 4 Substitutes and keep itself alive at 1 HP.
A Timid nature is recommended in order to reach 262 Spe points, enough to speed tie with 252+ Spe Bisharp, Decidueye, Magneton and Volcanion.
Team(mates) support
A way to deal proporly with Pursuit users is recommended and, also, a slow U-turn/Volt Switch is recommended.
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Hoopa @ Darkinium Z
Ability: Magician
EVs: 32 HP / 252 SpA / 224 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Nasty Plot
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- Snatch
I dunno you outspeed everything up to +1 Jolly Mega Sharpedo after a Z-Snatch. Just don't miss Focus Blast and it will beat its revenge killers. If you manage to set both the speed boost and a nasty plot you are basically set to win. Maybe you can slap it on dual screens or something to achieve this. Though if you use it in the endgame where everything is weakened then the speed buff might just be enough.
Hoopa @ Leftovers / Colbur Berry
Ability: Magician
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Nasty Plot / Calm Mind
- Psyshock
- Energy Ball
- Focus Blast
Just a stall breaker set, hits everything in stall including quagsire. Soooooo, yeah. Colbur is for Hydreigon and other special dark pulse users, since I doubt you eat a Crunch or a Knock Off from any mon that uses those moves.
252 SpA Hydreigon Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Colbur Berry Hoopa: 204-242 (56 - 66.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Krookodile Pursuit vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Colbur Berry Hoopa: 186-218 (51 - 59.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
236+ Atk Bisharp Pursuit vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Colbur Berry Hoopa: 210-248 (57.6 - 68.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Tough Claws Aerodactyl-Mega Pursuit vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Colbur Berry Hoopa: 178-210 (48.9 - 57.6%) -- 96.1% chance to 2HKO
THIS IS ALL FROM STAYING IN ON PURSUITS^^^
Hoopa @ Ghostium Z
Ability: Magician
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- Nasty Plot
- Protect
everything patching up speed/OTR has been taken so here i am slapping on protect. its handy for scouting against the popular scarfed darks (moreso hydrei than krook) and improves the offense mu.
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Hoopa @ Fightinium Z / Life Orb
Ability: Magician
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Trick Room
- Psyshock
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
The fun little late-game cleaner here OTR Hoopa that can run Fightinium Z or go for a Life Orb and beat out Reuniclus in the damage department at the risk of taking constant chip. Hoopa’s also has a pretty high Special Defense that even at no EVs it takes some neutral hits surprisingly well.
No one:
Literally no one:
Not a single soul:
Smallsmallrose: AV HOOPA
Hoopa @ Assault Vest
Ability: Magician
EVs: 252 HP / 168 SpD / 88 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Shadow Ball
- Psyshock
- Focus Blast
- Signal Beam
So basically Hoopa has more spdef than the universe with Assault vest and can check most of the tier's more obnoxious special attackers. EVs are to be as fat as physically possible but also sneak past your typical specs Primarina to beat it in a 1v1 easier.
And its moveset is designed to OHKO most of these mons in return since it's SpA is still massive even with minimal investment. The only mons here that it fails to OHKO are Kyurem, Moltres, Primarina, and Volcanion, all of which it can easily 2HKO with STABS or in Kyurem's case focus blast.
Hoopa can even take super effective attacks with the vest, letting it serve as a cheeky lure if you choose not to reveal the vest early.
If either ghost is is Ghostium or Chandy calm minds first it can get hairy but its still really cool that Hoopa is bulky enough to somewhat lure these mons, as it OHKOs in return.
Literally no one:
Not a single soul:
Smallsmallrose: AV HOOPA
Hoopa @ Assault Vest
Ability: Magician
EVs: 252 HP / 168 SpD / 88 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Shadow Ball
- Psyshock
- Focus Blast
- Signal Beam
So basically Hoopa has more spdef than the universe with Assault vest and can check most of the tier's more obnoxious special attackers. EVs are to be as fat as physically possible but also sneak past your typical specs Primarina to beat it in a 1v1 easier.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 168+ SpD Assault Vest Hoopa: 124-147 (34 - 40.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Analytic Starmie Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 168+ SpD Assault Vest Hoopa: 109-129 (29.9 - 35.4%) -- 20.8% chance to 3HKO
+2 252 SpA Celebi Giga Drain vs. 252 HP / 168+ SpD Assault Vest Hoopa: 87-103 (23.9 - 28.2%) -- 95.5% chance to 4HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 168+ SpD Assault Vest Hoopa: 79-95 (21.7 - 26%) -- 7.5% chance to 4HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Roserade Leaf Storm vs. 252 HP / 168+ SpD Assault Vest Hoopa: 114-136 (31.3 - 37.3%) -- 85.2% chance to 3HKO
+2 252 SpA Life Orb Infernape Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 168+ SpD Assault Vest Hoopa: 172-203 (47.2 - 55.7%) -- 73.4% chance to 2HKO
+2 252 SpA Life Orb Lucario Flash Cannon vs. 252 HP / 168+ SpD Assault Vest Hoopa: 133-157 (36.5 - 43.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Kyurem Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 168+ SpD Assault Vest Hoopa: 135-160 (37 - 43.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Moltres Supersonic Skystrike (185 BP) vs. 252 HP / 168+ SpD Assault Vest Hoopa: 126-148 (34.6 - 40.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Volcanion Steam Eruption vs. 252 HP / 168+ SpD Assault Vest Hoopa: 127-150 (34.8 - 41.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Analytic Starmie Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 168+ SpD Assault Vest Hoopa: 109-129 (29.9 - 35.4%) -- 20.8% chance to 3HKO
+2 252 SpA Celebi Giga Drain vs. 252 HP / 168+ SpD Assault Vest Hoopa: 87-103 (23.9 - 28.2%) -- 95.5% chance to 4HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 168+ SpD Assault Vest Hoopa: 79-95 (21.7 - 26%) -- 7.5% chance to 4HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Roserade Leaf Storm vs. 252 HP / 168+ SpD Assault Vest Hoopa: 114-136 (31.3 - 37.3%) -- 85.2% chance to 3HKO
+2 252 SpA Life Orb Infernape Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 168+ SpD Assault Vest Hoopa: 172-203 (47.2 - 55.7%) -- 73.4% chance to 2HKO
+2 252 SpA Life Orb Lucario Flash Cannon vs. 252 HP / 168+ SpD Assault Vest Hoopa: 133-157 (36.5 - 43.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Kyurem Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 168+ SpD Assault Vest Hoopa: 135-160 (37 - 43.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Moltres Supersonic Skystrike (185 BP) vs. 252 HP / 168+ SpD Assault Vest Hoopa: 126-148 (34.6 - 40.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Volcanion Steam Eruption vs. 252 HP / 168+ SpD Assault Vest Hoopa: 127-150 (34.8 - 41.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
And its moveset is designed to OHKO most of these mons in return since it's SpA is still massive even with minimal investment. The only mons here that it fails to OHKO are Kyurem, Moltres, Primarina, and Volcanion, all of which it can easily 2HKO with STABS or in Kyurem's case focus blast.
Hoopa can even take super effective attacks with the vest, letting it serve as a cheeky lure if you choose not to reveal the vest early.
252 SpA Gengar Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 168+ SpD Assault Vest Hoopa: 228-268 (62.6 - 73.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Chandelure Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 168+ SpD Assault Vest Hoopa: 244-292 (67 - 80.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Houndoom-Mega Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 168+ SpD Assault Vest Hoopa: 232-280 (63.7 - 76.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Chandelure Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 168+ SpD Assault Vest Hoopa: 244-292 (67 - 80.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Houndoom-Mega Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 168+ SpD Assault Vest Hoopa: 232-280 (63.7 - 76.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
If either ghost is is Ghostium or Chandy calm minds first it can get hairy but its still really cool that Hoopa is bulky enough to somewhat lure these mons, as it OHKOs in return.
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small nitpick; Smallsmallrose 168+ SpD / 88 Spe reaches the same Spe benchmark but gets a few extra points in SpD
Great turnout for our first week back! Thanks everyone for submitting!
Voting's due by Monday, June 17. Please vote for up to two sets!
Calm mind pinch berry Hoopa and just pinch berry Hoopa
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Estarossa's SubNP set.
scizorphobic and backatyoubro
Assault Vest is pretty clean and Snatch
Well, Twilight and Estarossa tied for first, so to break the tie, I'm going to vote for Estarossas, due to the extra possible subs being a little more useful on a consistent basis then Z Snatch. While a cool tech, it's really matchup dependent, but no hard feelings. Anyways, congratz to Estarossa for winning this week, your submission will be archived.
Moving on, our next contestant will be Mega Pidgeot!
Mega Pidgeot has seen better days. The metagame doesn't really favor it's presence, and it's relatively forgotten as a whole. However, it still has it's standard bread and butter 100% accurate Hurricanes, as well as a decent speed tier, and access to moves like U-turn and Roost. It can even run a Work Up+Refresh set to let it function as a stallbreaker, as well as being able to run HP Ground to nail things like Stakataka. So what else can you guys come up with? Let's find out on this week of UU Next Best Thing!
Submissions are due Friday. Good luck!
nameless90 - 1
Estarossa - 2 (3 total)
Twilight - 2
BackAtYouBro - 1
Scizorphobic - 1
smallsmallrose - 1
Estarossa - 2 (3 total)
Twilight - 2
BackAtYouBro - 1
Scizorphobic - 1
smallsmallrose - 1
Moving on, our next contestant will be Mega Pidgeot!
Mega Pidgeot has seen better days. The metagame doesn't really favor it's presence, and it's relatively forgotten as a whole. However, it still has it's standard bread and butter 100% accurate Hurricanes, as well as a decent speed tier, and access to moves like U-turn and Roost. It can even run a Work Up+Refresh set to let it function as a stallbreaker, as well as being able to run HP Ground to nail things like Stakataka. So what else can you guys come up with? Let's find out on this week of UU Next Best Thing!
Pidgeot @ Pidgeotite
Ability: Big Pecks
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hurricane
- Heat Wave
- U-turn / Hidden Power Ground
- Roost / Hidden Power Ground
Pidgeot @ Pidgeotite
Ability: Big Pecks
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hurricane
- Work Up
- Refresh
- Roost
Ability: Big Pecks
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hurricane
- Heat Wave
- U-turn / Hidden Power Ground
- Roost / Hidden Power Ground
Pidgeot @ Pidgeotite
Ability: Big Pecks
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hurricane
- Work Up
- Refresh
- Roost
Submissions are due Friday. Good luck!
Darksafadao
best of the second options
I reserve defog
Pidgeot-Mega @ Pidgeotite
Ability: Big Pecks
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Heat Wave
- Hurricane
- Roost
- Sleep Talk
This pidgeot-mega set is very similar to one of the standard sets, but its niche here is sleep talk. This allows it to serve as a much better amoongus answer than it usually is as it can directly swap in, at the cost of losing it's ability to use u-turn, allowing to be not only a spore sponge but one that also threatens amoongus at the same time.
This would also allow it to swap in on sleep powder users such as roserade and venomoth, albeit being far less common than amoongus and spore.
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