Resource National Dex Set Compendium

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Cyclizar @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Shed Tail
- Double-Edge
- Outrage
- Knock Off
 
I have a set for MLatias.
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Latias-Mega (F) @ Latiasite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Calm Mind
- Psyshock / Stored Power
- Aura Sphere / Mystical Fire
- Roost

Tried this a bit, does well though it struggles a bit against magearna.
 
Trailblaze on MMedi I feel could be a neat addition I feel

EDIT: Also base Gyara should be Moxie! That's a very important part of the mon
 
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ok i think some of the sets suck so imma post better more refined versions

Annihilape @ Chesto Berry
Ability: Inner Focus
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 220 SpD / 36 Spe
Careful Nature
- Bulk Up
- Rage Fist
- Drain Punch
- Rest

this ev spread for both + tera water on the rest set

barra should be jolly it cant afford ada

mzx set should be 3a, or at least that should be an alternative set

crunch shld be the dark stab for cpao, throat chop is just inferior and shld not be slashed, tera elec shld be an option on the boots set, and the primary slashes shld be crunch icicle sucker, sacred and tera after sucker

nuke chi yu

clod shld be spdef physdef sucks, why is tspikes not a slash too

spin shld be a slash on cyc

specs pult is a set make it a set

for dondozo IMO physdef (maybe no curse) is also a good option, but IMO physdef is the best

eseed on esparatha

gyro on ferro > ihead, its better with mage torn, rocks as a slash, chople as a slash on physdef

lead chomp sounds ass compared to its competition, imo nuke it, sub as a slash over rocks on sd chomp, rocks as a slash on tankchomp

nuke edge on mchomp lol

add other slashes on garg tera type (water mainly)

add physdef gastro, add gastro tera type (steel)

the gtusk set sucks
Great Tusk @ Assault Vest / Leftovers / Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 12 HP / 252 Atk / 244 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Headlong Rush
- Close Combat
- Ice Spinner / iKnock Off
- Rapid Spin

Great Tusk @ Leftovers / Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Protosynthesis
EVs: 12 HP / 252 Atk / 244 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Headlong Rush
- Close Combat
- Ice Spinner / Knock Off
- Stealth Rock

u can probably discuss some bulkier evs for some of the sets, esp the av one, but the current set having both spin and rocks, and jolly max max sucks, at best for jolly u go to 294 for timid ghold for the spin set but i think ghold sucks anyways, u def don't need max max tho

nuke taunt on gyara

sub on mgyara, nuke edge

think u can slash plume on spd tran

ok ngl i think a lot of these ihands sets sucks and don't work in this meta where if u use it u need it bulky for cpao

Iron Hands @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
EVs: 16 HP / 116 Atk / 252 Def / 124 Spe
Impish Nature
- Close Combat
- Swords Dance
- Wild Charge
- Ice Punch

replace the current energy one with this, also slash lefties on it, i think u can keep band ig, punching glove looks like it sucks and i wld rather use other mons, what does av even do

pls pls make rocks and spin separate sets for treads, both on the same suck balls and means u miss out on how good they are offensively. i think av spin also has merit here since it checks and spins mage rlly well, altho this is slightly tmonning since i haven't used it

Iron Treads @ Assault Vest
Ability: Quark Drive
EVs: 72 HP / 252 Atk / 184 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Ice Spinner
- Volt Switch
- Rapid Spin

idk we can discuss and fiddle with the evs and moves but surely this cannot be bad

for iron moth u want fire blast and u want uturn slash on agility

the gambit set sucks imo, tera fairy only hits like swole and ihands, the latter is easy to wear down and the former beats u anyways bc ur slow as balls, either remove or make it second slash. primary slash shld for sure be

Kingambit @ Black Glasses / Life Orb
Ability: Supreme Overlord
EVs: 116 HP / 252 Atk / 140 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Sucker Punch
- Iron Head
- Knock Off / Kowtow Cleave

Im still unsure of Koff Vs Kowtow on which is better but with how broken off is spamming itmaybe kowtow is better here, idk regardless u wanna hit hard with ur suckers and clean with it. max speed invest is a bit of a waste based on how fast u r and how u sucker shit anyways,ur bulk is really solid and u want it for stuff like cpao

qa as a slash on mlop its nice for opposing cpao and the likes

Magearna @ Leftovers
Ability: Soul-Heart
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 HP / 208 Def / 48 SpA
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Pain Split
- Volt Switch
- Spikes
- Fleur Cannon

adjust mage spread and set to this, this should be the primary and first mage set, far more relevant than the others, also the spread is better than just max max

remove name from melm set, slash lefties on there, also isn't the punching glove thing better than pads here since all his moves r punches

on eleki slash rv with tbolt, slash tera ice with tera grass (or even make grass primary lol with less lando glisc around and more tusk gastro), think u almost always want spin, and imo boots tbolt > specs rv as a set, u dont rlly need the extra power unless ur doing funny koko stuff

what do these sciz spreads do just use last gens sample sets imo

ww shld not be slashed with spikes, it shld be slashed with id, and possibly bb slashed with press

flip is not mandatory on pert, make that a slash, IP is way more valuable with all the dnite running around

what even is this first fini set :skull:, if u wanna do a bulkier version of last gens set then adjust that, this one looks awful, although all defensive finis this gen i think sucks, and if u wanna use it use physdef fini for sure, dont see what spd does this gen

Tapu Fini @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Misty Surge
EVs: 184 HP / 72 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Hydro Pump
- Trick
- Defog

use this for scarf fini, if u wanna slash cm then sure

Tapu Koko @ Electrium Z
Ability: Electric Surge
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- U-turn
- Thunderbolt
- Nature's Madness
- Roost

add this koko set

nuke tbolt and thunder mentions on lele and nuke elec z, we do not have steela and never have, corv sucks even more bigger balls this gen+ just spam psychic move lol and watch it waste its 8 roost pps in a minute. nuke aroma on scarf lele imo no one has ever clicked that in the history of national dex, who is using this cm lo lele set think u can nuke as well

LOL trapper tinglu is fire (what does it trap)

why do u need throat chop on ting lu i think it sucks and if u wanna keep it make it last slash, put REST there

- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock / Spikes
- Whirlwind / Rest
- Ruination

optimal ting lu moveset for sure

dont slash turn with taunt, fit hwave somewhere on there for torn

remove defog from the np set LOL why is that shit there, turn and taunt shld be the better slashes there instead

can maybe add av as a set but idk how much people have really experimented with it, cool pivot into pult on fatter teams etc etc

remove smooth rock tar (lol)
remove av (lol x2)
put in like band

remove pool shifu lol we got no more pex

remove the first tini set we already have boots tini below there

Zamazenta @ Leftovers
Ability: Dauntless Shield
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Howl
- Close Combat
- Wild Charge
- Ice Fang

another one for doggy, remove edge on dog why is that even there LOL what, for both choices shld be cc wc ice fang psyfangs/crunch as last, u can mess with slash order for psyfang or crunch, but these current sets are horrible, same for scarf
ok thank u bye bye
 

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Trailblaze on MMedi I feel could be a neat addition I feel

EDIT: Also base Gyara should be Moxie! That's a very important part of the mon
I disagree with this if you are talking about pre-mega, I'd keep intimidate as Gyarados's qualities of soft-checking things such as Chien-Pao for HOs is invaluable
 

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ok i think some of the sets suck so imma post better more refined versions

Annihilape @ Chesto Berry
Ability: Inner Focus
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 220 SpD / 36 Spe
Careful Nature
- Bulk Up
- Rage Fist
- Drain Punch
- Rest

this ev spread for both + tera water on the rest set

barra should be jolly it cant afford ada

mzx set should be 3a, or at least that should be an alternative set

crunch shld be the dark stab for cpao, throat chop is just inferior and shld not be slashed, tera elec shld be an option on the boots set, and the primary slashes shld be crunch icicle sucker, sacred and tera after sucker

nuke chi yu

clod shld be spdef physdef sucks, why is tspikes not a slash too

spin shld be a slash on cyc

specs pult is a set make it a set

for dondozo IMO physdef (maybe no curse) is also a good option, but IMO physdef is the best

eseed on esparatha

gyro on ferro > ihead, its better with mage torn, rocks as a slash, chople as a slash on physdef

lead chomp sounds ass compared to its competition, imo nuke it, sub as a slash over rocks on sd chomp, rocks as a slash on tankchomp

nuke edge on mchomp lol

add other slashes on garg tera type (water mainly)

add physdef gastro, add gastro tera type (steel)

the gtusk set sucks
Great Tusk @ Assault Vest / Leftovers / Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 12 HP / 252 Atk / 244 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Headlong Rush
- Close Combat
- Ice Spinner / iKnock Off
- Rapid Spin

Great Tusk @ Leftovers / Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Protosynthesis
EVs: 12 HP / 252 Atk / 244 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Headlong Rush
- Close Combat
- Ice Spinner / Knock Off
- Stealth Rock

u can probably discuss some bulkier evs for some of the sets, esp the av one, but the current set having both spin and rocks, and jolly max max sucks, at best for jolly u go to 294 for timid ghold for the spin set but i think ghold sucks anyways, u def don't need max max tho

nuke taunt on gyara

sub on mgyara, nuke edge

think u can slash plume on spd tran

ok ngl i think a lot of these ihands sets sucks and don't work in this meta where if u use it u need it bulky for cpao

Iron Hands @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
EVs: 16 HP / 116 Atk / 252 Def / 124 Spe
Impish Nature
- Close Combat
- Swords Dance
- Wild Charge
- Ice Punch

replace the current energy one with this, also slash lefties on it, i think u can keep band ig, punching glove looks like it sucks and i wld rather use other mons, what does av even do

pls pls make rocks and spin separate sets for treads, both on the same suck balls and means u miss out on how good they are offensively. i think av spin also has merit here since it checks and spins mage rlly well, altho this is slightly tmonning since i haven't used it

Iron Treads @ Assault Vest
Ability: Quark Drive
EVs: 72 HP / 252 Atk / 184 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Ice Spinner
- Volt Switch
- Rapid Spin

idk we can discuss and fiddle with the evs and moves but surely this cannot be bad

for iron moth u want fire blast and u want uturn slash on agility

the gambit set sucks imo, tera fairy only hits like swole and ihands, the latter is easy to wear down and the former beats u anyways bc ur slow as balls, either remove or make it second slash. primary slash shld for sure be

Kingambit @ Black Glasses / Life Orb
Ability: Supreme Overlord
EVs: 116 HP / 252 Atk / 140 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Sucker Punch
- Iron Head
- Knock Off / Kowtow Cleave

Im still unsure of Koff Vs Kowtow on which is better but with how broken off is spamming itmaybe kowtow is better here, idk regardless u wanna hit hard with ur suckers and clean with it. max speed invest is a bit of a waste based on how fast u r and how u sucker shit anyways,ur bulk is really solid and u want it for stuff like cpao

qa as a slash on mlop its nice for opposing cpao and the likes

Magearna @ Leftovers
Ability: Soul-Heart
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 HP / 208 Def / 48 SpA
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Pain Split
- Volt Switch
- Spikes
- Fleur Cannon

adjust mage spread and set to this, this should be the primary and first mage set, far more relevant than the others, also the spread is better than just max max

remove name from melm set, slash lefties on there, also isn't the punching glove thing better than pads here since all his moves r punches

on eleki slash rv with tbolt, slash tera ice with tera grass (or even make grass primary lol with less lando glisc around and more tusk gastro), think u almost always want spin, and imo boots tbolt > specs rv as a set, u dont rlly need the extra power unless ur doing funny koko stuff

what do these sciz spreads do just use last gens sample sets imo

ww shld not be slashed with spikes, it shld be slashed with id, and possibly bb slashed with press

flip is not mandatory on pert, make that a slash, IP is way more valuable with all the dnite running around

what even is this first fini set :skull:, if u wanna do a bulkier version of last gens set then adjust that, this one looks awful, although all defensive finis this gen i think sucks, and if u wanna use it use physdef fini for sure, dont see what spd does this gen

Tapu Fini @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Misty Surge
EVs: 184 HP / 72 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Hydro Pump
- Trick
- Defog

use this for scarf fini, if u wanna slash cm then sure

Tapu Koko @ Electrium Z
Ability: Electric Surge
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- U-turn
- Thunderbolt
- Nature's Madness
- Roost

add this koko set

nuke tbolt and thunder mentions on lele and nuke elec z, we do not have steela and never have, corv sucks even more bigger balls this gen+ just spam psychic move lol and watch it waste its 8 roost pps in a minute. nuke aroma on scarf lele imo no one has ever clicked that in the history of national dex, who is using this cm lo lele set think u can nuke as well

LOL trapper tinglu is fire (what does it trap)

why do u need throat chop on ting lu i think it sucks and if u wanna keep it make it last slash, put REST there

- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock / Spikes
- Whirlwind / Rest
- Ruination

optimal ting lu moveset for sure

dont slash turn with taunt, fit hwave somewhere on there for torn

remove defog from the np set LOL why is that shit there, turn and taunt shld be the better slashes there instead

can maybe add av as a set but idk how much people have really experimented with it, cool pivot into pult on fatter teams etc etc

remove smooth rock tar (lol)
remove av (lol x2)
put in like band

remove pool shifu lol we got no more pex

remove the first tini set we already have boots tini below there

Zamazenta @ Leftovers
Ability: Dauntless Shield
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Howl
- Close Combat
- Wild Charge
- Ice Fang

another one for doggy, remove edge on dog why is that even there LOL what, for both choices shld be cc wc ice fang psyfangs/crunch as last, u can mess with slash order for psyfang or crunch, but these current sets are horrible, same for scarf
ok thank u bye bye
annihilape - good recommendation
barra - how so? anything bar +1 eleki does not outspeed it, there would be no point unless theres a 1v1 lol, but those are the only reasons id think of
chien - agree with everything here tbh
clod - agree too
cyc - agree
pult - i forgot
dozo - forgot too
pathra - sounds neat
ferro - pp on gyro is a hella concern to ferro
chomp - okay, but lead chomp can is good due to how it can 1v1 most leads
garg and gastro - i forgot as well
great tusk - these sets do not look optimal at all, av sounds extremely mid seeing as u still take 50 from any strong neutral special attack, and no booster energy is weird as well. spinner as a main move is weird as well, id use edge atp, and dual stabs + rockspin is a good option still. lefties are cool, and what do u outspeed at 244 spe neutral??? max/max is neat for it too btw bar bulky spreads
gyara - taunt good move, only move id see being used over it is waterfall
ihands - u forgot tpunch, av sponges hits on both sides due to its alr nice bulk (and does it better than great tusk by a long shot), and pglove is a niche but good option
treads - id make this max/max imotbh, outspeeding things like volc and speed tieing other treads are important
moth - fire blast so mid here, and i forgot uturn
kingambit - okay
mlop - sure ig
mage - still no explanation, but id be open to making it max/max with relaxed/sassy nature
melm - ifist + glove do not stack
eleki - who would want to use tera grass bar for gastro lol
sciz - all of them are so unoptimal bar spdef
skarm - u need id on skarm, why slash it over id
mpert - okay this is not going to be changed, momentum on rain is v needed and there is always a 4th moveslot
fini - okay
koko - how 2 lose to ground 101, sounds extremely mid to add
lele - cm sees use on things like balance and ho, idk about aroma though
ting lu - how did u make this so passive, if u use whirlwind u need dual stabs, and rest drains so much momentum and is not good at all
torn - i forgot heat wave :skull: av sounds okay btw
ttar - will prob do
tini - one is special one is physical
zama - okay

i would prefer next time you suggested things you do it with more appropriate tone and explanations.
 
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I disagree with this if you are talking about pre-mega, I'd keep intimidate as Gyarados's qualities of soft-checking things such as Chien-Pao for HOs is invaluable
There are plenty of other mons capable of checking chien for HO, mgyara, msciz, magearna, mmaw, melm, and kingambit all do a fine job depending on the variant
 
I've been using tera ground chien pao with some success due to the prevalence of magearna, heatran, mega-diancie and eleki
Chien-Pao @ Choice Band
Ability: Sword of Ruin
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Crunch
- Tera Blast
- Ice Spinner
- Sacred Sword

note that I run no prio 'cause it's on a webs team, but you could trade one move for sucker punch/ice shard and set would still mostly work.
You could also run boots, z-move or even life orb if you want to not be choice locked
 
Excadrill @ Clear Amulet / Steelium Z / Normalium Z
Ability: Sand Rush
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Iron Head
- Rapid Spin / Giga Impact / Rock Slide
- Swords Dance

steelium Z pros

+1 252 Atk Excadrill Corkscrew Crash (160 BP) vs. 252 HP / 164+ Def Landorus-Therian: 337-397 (88.2 - 103.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252 Atk Excadrill Corkscrew Crash (160 BP) vs. 244 HP / 52 Def Gliscor: 424-499 (120.4 - 141.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Can Z to kill one dedicated tank that isnt steel nor normal resistant
Knock Off soaker

cons

vulnerable to webs
cannot Tera if needed
no using lefties or life orb or any item at all
one time use can be easy to mess up with

clear amu

+2 252 Atk Excadrill Iron Head vs. 0 HP / 4 Def offensive Landorus-Therian: 292-345 (91.5 - 108.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
Can still kill anything that isn't a crazy dedicated tank
Not vulnerable to webs and stands a better chance its now former web abuser checks
Blocks Parting Shot
Intimidate proof
Can abuse literally any other gimmick for more general use
Is threatening for longer periods of time

cons

has 0 chances of brute forcing tank lando and glisc without SD + Z
cannot kill flying zards and vanilla dos without help from rock slide

one of em can kill one thing more consistently and threaten sweeps with that
the other is a better cleaner and or setup sweeper
 
Hi i would like to add the choiced variant for cinderace, as it is now its a pretty good choice mon, with u-turn can keep momentun and banded with the high power moves (pyro ball, high jump kick or gunk shot) plus priority sucker punch can make it a real treat.

Cinderace @ Choice Band / Choice scarf
Ability: Libero
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Pyro Ball
- High Jump Kick
- Sucker Punch / gunk shot / court change
- U-turn

Court change is an option, even though its not the best as it will be locked on it, can be used to get rid of hazards, like the defog scarf lando from gen 7, but the HDB set can do this better.
As a scarf user, it does an awesome work, as it can check things like chien pao, scarf dengo, excadrill/iron treads and the dangerous +2 timid magearna (502 speed) vs cinderace (555 speed jolly scarfed), outspeeding it even with an adamant nature (505 speed adamant scarfed).
Edit: the scarfed variant with a jolly nature can outspeed timid regieleki and kill it with high bp moves, so it can work as a check.

calcs for this (jolly scarf):

252 Atk Cinderace Pyro Ball vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Magearna: 320-380 (106.3 - 126.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Libero Cinderace Gunk Shot vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tera Fairy Magearna: 320-380 (106.3 - 126.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Tera Fire Cinderace Pyro Ball vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tera Fairy Magearna: 214-254 (71 - 84.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

keeping in check the teratype is advised.

Banded set examples/calcs:

252 Atk Choice Band Libero Cinderace Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Dragapult: 402-474 (126.8 - 149.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Libero Cinderace High Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 136 Def Garchomp: 267-315 (63.5 - 75%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Choice Band Cinderace Pyro Ball vs. 252 HP / 164+ Def Landorus-Therian: 228-268 (59.6 - 70.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Choice Band Libero Cinderace High Jump Kick vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Diancie-Mega: 271-319 (112.4 - 132.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Libero Cinderace Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tapu Fini: 356-420 (103.4 - 122%) -- guaranteed OHKO

If we talk about other options (which i haven't tested), could run zen headbut for 2HKO toxa and great tusk or 0HKO clodsire:

252 Atk Choice Band Libero Cinderace Zen Headbutt vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Great Tusk: 236-282 (54.3 - 64.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Libero Cinderace Zen Headbutt vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Great Tusk: 288-338 (77.6 - 91.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Libero Cinderace Zen Headbutt vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 194-230 (63.8 - 75.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Libero Cinderace Zen Headbutt vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Toxapex: 252-296 (82.8 - 97.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Libero Cinderace Zen Headbutt vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clodsire: 356-420 (76.7 - 90.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Libero Cinderace Zen Headbutt vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Clodsire: 542-642 (116.8 - 138.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Or trailblaze for 0HKO speciallly def gastrodon and at last 2HKO quagsire (both mons not used much)

252 Atk Choice Band Libero Cinderace Trailblaze vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Quagsire: 364-432 (92.3 - 109.6%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Libero Cinderace Trailblaze vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Gastrodon: 616-732 (144.6 - 171.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

however, the moves above are better overall.
 
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