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Project National Dex OU: Break This Core (Week 34: Mega Latias + Kartana + Victini)
- Thread starter Redgoop115
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TOXIC CUBES (Greninja) @ Groundium Z
Ability: Protean
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Dig
- Gunk Shot
- Ice Beam
- Spikes
Mawile folds to Z-Dig and is unable to revenge full-health Greninja even with +2 Sucker Punch. Garchomp just gets Ice Beamed.
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Helmet Tangrowth eatin em up no doubtCongratulations to Michael213 (goat) for winning this week of Break this Core!
Our next core will be Mega Mawile + Garchomp
Submissions will be open until next Friday on December 17th at 11:59 PM GMT.
How will you successfully counter these mons?
The sets were included for the last two weeks of this but not for two of the best breakers in the tier, I think it'd be worthwhile to actually include the sets of these mons.
Buzzwole @ Groundium Z
Adamant Nature
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 248 HP / 236 Atk / 24 Spe
- Earthquake
- Ice Punch
- Roost
- Bulk Up
Buzzwole can take any attack from physically based Garchomp, and removes it from existence with an Ice Punch. Bulk Up and Roost gives the added flexibility of fully guaranteeing Groundium-Z to kill even after Intimidate and can set up one boost in the face of Leftovers/Already Z'd Garchomp. 24 Speed outpaces those running max speed Neutral Nature Mawile, while the rest is invested into HP for general bulk. 236 Attack guarantees an OHKO at -1 Tectonic Rage after rocks (Still 62.5% to kill). Getting Beast Boost on Garchomp ensures Mawile is removed irrespective of any Intimidate shenanigans.
Adamant Nature
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 248 HP / 236 Atk / 24 Spe
- Earthquake
- Ice Punch
- Roost
- Bulk Up
Buzzwole can take any attack from physically based Garchomp, and removes it from existence with an Ice Punch. Bulk Up and Roost gives the added flexibility of fully guaranteeing Groundium-Z to kill even after Intimidate and can set up one boost in the face of Leftovers/Already Z'd Garchomp. 24 Speed outpaces those running max speed Neutral Nature Mawile, while the rest is invested into HP for general bulk. 236 Attack guarantees an OHKO at -1 Tectonic Rage after rocks (Still 62.5% to kill). Getting Beast Boost on Garchomp ensures Mawile is removed irrespective of any Intimidate shenanigans.
Reserving fly z Lando
i’m using mamoswine with icicle crash and ground z earthquake
Infernape @ Life Orb
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Flamethrower
- Nasty Plot
- Vacuum Wave
Infernape blasts Mawile out of existence and can take a +2 Sucker Punch, and is not affected by intimidate as it is Special Setup.
HP Ice giving that 62.5% chance to OHKO Garchomp which is a roll that a gamer like MYSELF would take.
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Flamethrower
- Nasty Plot
- Vacuum Wave
Infernape blasts Mawile out of existence and can take a +2 Sucker Punch, and is not affected by intimidate as it is Special Setup.
HP Ice giving that 62.5% chance to OHKO Garchomp which is a roll that a gamer like MYSELF would take.
252 SpA Life Orb Infernape Hidden Power Ice vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Garchomp: 333-395 (93.2 - 110.6%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Life Orb Infernape Flamethrower vs. 92 HP / 0 SpD Mawile-Mega: 343-406 (129.9 - 153.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO (Bye bye mawile :[ )
252 SpA Life Orb Infernape Flamethrower vs. 92 HP / 0 SpD Mawile-Mega: 343-406 (129.9 - 153.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO (Bye bye mawile :[ )
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Hippowdon @ Choice Band
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 64 HP / 252 Atk / 192 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Ice Fang
- Fire Fang
- Stealth Rock
-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Hippowdon Earthquake vs. 92 HP / 0 Def Mawile-Mega: 266-314 (100.7 - 118.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Hippowdon Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 169-199 (47.3 - 55.7%) -- 77.3% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Hippowdon Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 253-298 (70.8 - 83.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Hippowdon Ice Fang vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 440-520 (123.2 - 145.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 Atk
Garchomp Devastating Drake (190 BP) vs. 64 HP / 0 Def Hippowdon: 270-318 (72.3 - 85.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (Z-Outrage)
Hippo spread outspeeds Standard M-Maw with 164 invest
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 64 HP / 252 Atk / 192 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Ice Fang
- Fire Fang
- Stealth Rock
-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Hippowdon Earthquake vs. 92 HP / 0 Def Mawile-Mega: 266-314 (100.7 - 118.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Hippowdon Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 169-199 (47.3 - 55.7%) -- 77.3% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Hippowdon Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 253-298 (70.8 - 83.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Hippowdon Ice Fang vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 440-520 (123.2 - 145.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 Atk
Garchomp Devastating Drake (190 BP) vs. 64 HP / 0 Def Hippowdon: 270-318 (72.3 - 85.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (Z-Outrage)
Hippo spread outspeeds Standard M-Maw with 164 invest
Corviknight @ Leftovers
Ability: Mirror Armor
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Roost
- Body Press
- Brave Bird
- Bulk Up
And this is how my favorite steel birb breaks this fantastic core.
Ability: Mirror Armor
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Roost
- Body Press
- Brave Bird
- Bulk Up
This birb tanks completely Chomp, leaving him setup using Bulk Up.
(252 Atk Garchomp Devastating Drake (190 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Corviknight: 108-128 (27 - 32%) -- 41.1% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery)
The strat agaisn't Chomp is: Bulk up > use Roost (if he needs to cure herself) > Bulk up at max and use Brave Bird.
( +6 4 Atk Corviknight Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 481-567 (134.7 - 158.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO )
And then Mawile swaps in, intimidating herself (mirror armor) and Mega-evolving.
But Mawile is easy, just Body press and Ohko.
+6 252+ Def Corviknight Body Press vs. 92 HP / 0 Def Mawile-Mega: 272-320 (103 - 121.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
(252 Atk Garchomp Devastating Drake (190 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Corviknight: 108-128 (27 - 32%) -- 41.1% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery)
The strat agaisn't Chomp is: Bulk up > use Roost (if he needs to cure herself) > Bulk up at max and use Brave Bird.
( +6 4 Atk Corviknight Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 481-567 (134.7 - 158.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO )
And then Mawile swaps in, intimidating herself (mirror armor) and Mega-evolving.
But Mawile is easy, just Body press and Ohko.
+6 252+ Def Corviknight Body Press vs. 92 HP / 0 Def Mawile-Mega: 272-320 (103 - 121.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
The birb suffers a little bit with Mawile-Mega, but even with that Thunder Punch M-Mawile seeking for him Mirror armor saves him (Intimidate redirected to Mawile)
(-1 252+ Atk Huge Power Mawile-Mega Thunder Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Corviknight: 146-172 (36.5 - 43%) -- 96.6% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery)
Use Roost if you wan't to cure the birb and then set up with Bulk Up at max (and using Roost 'cuz the thunder punch can do some damage in the Bulk uppin').
With Bulk Up at max use Body press to Ohko Mawile.
(+6 252+ Def Corviknight Body Press vs. 92 HP / 0 Def Mawile-Mega: 272-320 (103 - 121.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO )
And for Chomp use Brave Bird
(+6 4 Atk Corviknight Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 481-567 (134.7 - 158.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO )
(-1 252+ Atk Huge Power Mawile-Mega Thunder Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Corviknight: 146-172 (36.5 - 43%) -- 96.6% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery)
Use Roost if you wan't to cure the birb and then set up with Bulk Up at max (and using Roost 'cuz the thunder punch can do some damage in the Bulk uppin').
With Bulk Up at max use Body press to Ohko Mawile.
(+6 252+ Def Corviknight Body Press vs. 92 HP / 0 Def Mawile-Mega: 272-320 (103 - 121.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO )
And for Chomp use Brave Bird
(+6 4 Atk Corviknight Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 481-567 (134.7 - 158.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO )
And this is how my favorite steel birb breaks this fantastic core.
Reserving mega latios
Latios-Mega (M) @ Latiosite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Roost
- Ice Beam
- Psychic
- Earthquake
252 SpA Latios-Mega Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Garchomp: 524-620 (146.7 - 173.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0- Atk Latios-Mega Earthquake vs. 92 HP / 0 Def Mawile-Mega: 136-160 (51.5 - 60.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Obv dies to sucker punch after rocks and Dragon moves from full, but can come in on earthquake or sd from garchomp, and then kill it or hit mmaw on the switch with eq. Even eq+psychic can take down mmaw after a bit of rocks.(psychic does about 35-45)
Mystical fire is better for killing mmaw but then ttar and heatran bully you.
Latios-Mega (M) @ Latiosite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Roost
- Ice Beam
- Psychic
- Earthquake
252 SpA Latios-Mega Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Garchomp: 524-620 (146.7 - 173.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0- Atk Latios-Mega Earthquake vs. 92 HP / 0 Def Mawile-Mega: 136-160 (51.5 - 60.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Obv dies to sucker punch after rocks and Dragon moves from full, but can come in on earthquake or sd from garchomp, and then kill it or hit mmaw on the switch with eq. Even eq+psychic can take down mmaw after a bit of rocks.(psychic does about 35-45)
Mystical fire is better for killing mmaw but then ttar and heatran bully you.
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i’m voting buzzwole
buzzwole
Mtios