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AG Teambuilding Compendium
This is a resource intended to act as a guide of sorts while teambuilding. Use this as a reference to help find Pokemon that fill missing roles in your team, or to identify potential threats to a team you are building. If you feel like a Pokemon is missing from a certain section or that a section should be added, feel free to post it below! Make sure any changes you suggest include some reasoning, it's ideal if you base them on first-hand experience using or playing against a Pokemon (replays are also helpful). Options which are separated from the first few are ones which are generally Pokemon which are less viable, or Pokemon which are less effective in that specific role. That's all, happy posting!

Mechanic Users

Mega Pokemon:
:Rayquaza-Mega::Gengar-Mega::Sableye-Mega::Mewtwo-Mega-Y::Tyranitar-Mega:|:salamence-mega:

Z-Move Users:
:Eternatus:|:zacian:
:Necrozma-Ultra::Necrozma-Dusk-Mane::Lunala:|:Marshadow::Naganadel::Xerneas::Zygarde-Complete::Arceus-Poison:
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Offensive Dynamax Users:
:Yveltal::Xerneas::Zygarde-Complete::Necrozma-Dusk-Mane::Kyogre:
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:Arceus:
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:Ditto:|:Lunala::Mewtwo::MArshadow::Zekrom::Groudon:
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(electric):Deoxys-Attack:
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:Omastar::Thundurus:
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Defensive Dynamax Users:
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|:Ferrothorn::Lunala:

Breakers

Wallbreakers:

Physical: :Zacian-Crowned::Rayquaza-Mega::Necrozma-Dusk-Mane::Groudon-Primal:
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|:Necrozma-Ultra::Marshadow::Smeargle::Zekrom::Groudon::Zacian:
Special: :Yveltal::Xerneas::Eternatus::Kyogre-Primal::Kyogre::Mewtwo-Mega-Y:|:Lunala::Mewtwo::Arceus:(electric):Thundurus-Therian::Omastar::Deoxys-Attack:
Mixed: :Yveltal::Rayquaza-Mega::Groudon-Primal:

Stallbreakers:
Taunt: :Yveltal::Gengar-Mega::Mewtwo:
Setup: :Rayquaza-Mega::Groudon-Primal::Zygarde-Complete::Kyogre::Kyogre-Primal::Mewtwo-Mega-Y::Arceus-Ghost:|:Lunala::Mewtwo::Marshadow::Smeargle::Zekrom::Groudon::Thundurus-Therian::Vivillon:
Trappers: :Gengar-Mega::Gothitelle:
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(Perish Song + Whirlpool)

Walls:
Physically: :Necrozma-Dusk-Mane::Groudon-Primal::Zygarde-Complete:
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:Lugia::Giratina:|:Sableye-Mega::Gliscor::Quagsire::Skarmory::Salamence-Mega::Toxapex:
Specially: :Ho-Oh::Ferrothorn:
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:Chansey::Tyranitar::Tyranitar-Mega:|:Diancie::Diancie-Mega::Magearna:
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:Amoonguss:
Mixed: :Ho-Oh::Groudon-Primal::Eternatus:
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:Lugia::Lunala:|:Shedinja:
Pivots: :Ho-Oh::Necrozma-Dusk-Mane::Zygarde-Complete:
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:Giratina:|:Shedinja::Amoonguss:

Hazards and Anti-Hazards

Stealth Rock:
:Necrozma-Dusk-Mane::Groudon-Primal::Ferrothorn::Tyranitar::Tyranitar-Mega::Diancie-Mega::Diancie:
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:Deoxys-Speed:|:Excadrill::Shuckle::Skarmory::Chansey::Blissey:

Spikes:
:Ferrothorn: :Deoxys-Speed:|:Skarmory:

Toxic Spikes:
:Eternatus: |:Toxapex:

Sticky Web:
:Shuckle::Smeargle:

Leads:
:Deoxys-Speed::Excadrill:|:Grimmsnarl::Aerodactyl::Lycanroc:

Defog:
:Ho-Oh::Lunala::Yveltal::Giratina:
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|:Lugia::Salamence-Mega:

Rapid Spin:
:Excadrill::Smeargle:

Magic Bounce:
:Sableye-Mega::Diancie-Mega:

Support

Wish
:Chansey::Blissey:

Heal Bell / Aromatherapy:
:Xerneas: :Magearna: :Chansey: :Blissey:

Dual Screens:
:Grimmsnarl::Deoxys-Speed:|:Magearna::Mewtwo::Tapu-Koko:

Trappers

Shadow Tag:
:Gengar-Mega: :Gothitelle: :Wobbuffet:

Pursuit:
:Tyranitar: :Marshadow: :Muk-Alola:

Arena Trap:
:Dugtrio:

Perish Trap:
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Top Meta Pokemon Checks / Counters

Zacian-Crowned
Checks::Ditto::Ho-Oh:
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:Lunala:|:Toxapex::Skarmory::Dugtrio:
Counters: :Necrozma-Dusk-Mane::Zygarde-Complete::Groudon-Primal::Quagsire:

Yveltal
Checks: :Zacian-Crowned::Xerneas::Ho-Oh:|:Ditto:
Counters: :Tyranitar::Tyranitar-Mega::Chansey::Blissey::Diancie::Diancie-Mega:
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Zygarde-Complete
Checks: :Zacian-Crowned::Xerneas::Yveltal: :Kyogre::KYogre-Primal::Eternatus::Lunala::Mewtwo-Mega-Y:
Counters:
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:Lugia::Lunala:|:Shedinja:

Eternatus
Checks::Zacian-Crowned::Kyogre-Primal:
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:Ho-Oh::Mewtwo-Mega-Y::Ditto:
Counters::Tyranitar::Tyranitar-Mega::Chansey::Blissey::Lunala:|:Toxapex:

Xerneas
Checks: :Rayquaza-Mega::Zacian-Crowned::Ho-Oh::Ditto::Groudon-Primal::Kyogre-Primal::Eternatus::Necrozma-Ultra:
Counters: :Chansey::Necrozma-Dusk-Mane:|
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:Shedinja:

Necrozma-Dusk-Mane
Checks: :Yveltal::Rayquaza-Mega::Groudon-Primal::Kyogre::Kyogre-Primal:
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:Lunala::Ditto:
Counters:
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:Zygarde-Complete:
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:Lunala:|:Ferrothorn::Lugia::Quagsire:

Mega Rayquaza
Checks::Zacian-Crowned: :Eternatus::Necrozma-Dusk-Mane::Yveltal: :Xerneas: :Gengar-Mega: :Necrozma-Ultra::Ditto:|:Marshadow:
Counters: :Lugia:
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|:Zygarde-Complete::Tyranitar:

Groudon-Primal
Checks: :Rayquaza-Mega::Yveltal::Kyogre-Primal::Ditto::Necrozma-Ultra:
Counters::Zygarde-Complete::Giratina:
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:Lugia::Lunala::Gliscor:

Kyogre & Kyogre-Primal:
Checks: :Zacian-Crowned::Rayquaza-Mega::Yveltal::Eternatus::Necrozma-Ultra:|:Giratina::Ditto::Zekrom:
Counters: :Groudon-Primal::Ferrothorn::Chansey:|:Shedinja::Arceus-Water::Amoonguss:

Necrozma-Ultra
Checks: :Zacian-Crowned::Yveltal::Xerneas::Zygarde-Complete::Ditto::Mewtwo-Mega-Y::Gengar-Mega:
Counters:
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:Necrozma-Dusk-Mane::Sableye-Mega::Lunala:|:Lugia:

Mewtwo-Mega-Y
Checks: :Zacian-Crowned::Yveltal::Rayquaza-Mega::Groudon-Primal::Ditto::Arceus-Ghost:|:Marshadow:
Counters: :Arceus-Dark::Tyranitar::Tyranitar-Mega:|:Sableye-Mega::Lugia:

Arceus-Ghost
Checks: :Yveltal::Zacian-Crowned:|:Marshadow:
Counters: :Arceus-Dark::Zygarde-Complete:|:Ho-Oh:

Choice Item Users

Choice Band Users:
:Rayquaza-Mega: :Yveltal:|:Ho-Oh::Zacian:

Choice Specs Users:
:Kyogre::Lunala:|:Eternatus::Xerneas::Yveltal:

Choice Scarf Users:
:Ditto::Kyogre:|:Eternatus: :Rayquaza-Mega::Xerneas: :Yveltal: :Lunala: :Marshadow:

Other

Priority Users:
:Rayquaza-Mega: :Arceus: :Marshadow: :Yveltal:

Revenge Killers:
:Zacian-Crowned::Rayquaza-Mega::Gengar-Mega::Ditto::Necrozma-Ultra::Yveltal::Lunala:| :Marshadow:

Baton Pass:
:Magearna::Polteageist::Clefable::Smeargle::Espeon::Scolipede::Blaziken::Drifblim::Eevee::Gliscor::Mew::Scizor::Zapdos::Vaporeon:

Setup Sweepers:
Swords Dance: :Zacian-Crowned: :Rayquaza-Mega: :Groudon-Primal: :Necrozma-Dusk-Mane: :Necrozma-Ultra: :Arceus:
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|:Zacian:
Dragon Dance: :Rayquaza-Mega::Zygarde-Complete::Necrozma-Dusk-Mane::Necrozma-Ultra::Zekrom: |:Tyranitar-Mega::Salamence-Mega:
Agility: :Eternatus:
Nasty Plot: :Gengar-Mega: :Mewtwo-Mega-Y: :Mewtwo: :Naganadel:
Cosmic Power:
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:Gothitelle:
Shell Smash: :Smeargle:
Quiver Dance: :Vivillon:
Coil/Curse/Bulk Up: :Quagsire: :Ferrothorn: :Zygarde-Complete: :Ho-Oh: :Marshadow: :Mewtwo-Mega-X:
Iron Defense: :Ferrothorn:
Calm Mind: :Gothitelle:
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:Necrozma-Ultra: :Kyogre-Primal: :Lunala: :Mewtwo-Mega-Y: :Mewtwo: |
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Geomancy: :Xerneas:
Rock Polish: :Groudon-Primal: :Necrozma-Dusk-Mane:
 

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Can yveltal be added to the dynamax abusers? It gets a flying move and fire coverage, allowing it to blow through zacian and other possible checks. Its damage output with lo is absolutely absurd, and dark aura boosts its stab dark max moves to ungodly levels, allowing it to melt anything that it hits neutrally on.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8nationaldexag-1019939343

The ygod melted a zacian, which was the obvious check, while ripping a huge hole in the opponent’s team. This thing is busted.

added -mz
 
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Add dubwool to bp users, with fluffy and 100 base defense it is a decent physical wall on bp, it also gets access to cotton Guard to provide defense boosts as well as defensive utility for a chain

Dubwool can switch in to stuff like mray and zacian and easily set up cotton Guards with little risk if you pass to it with speed boosts

Also add kartana to dynamax users

Kartana with aerial ace can easily rack up speed with max flying move and attack with beast boost

Also add kartana to swords Dance setup sweepers

these seemed legit so I did -mz
 
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Can you also add zygarde to dynamax abusers? It really appreciates the obscene bulk gain from dynamax, and the spdef boosts from max quake. I’ve had success with a sub dd arrows iron tail set, using the spdef and def boosts from the max moves to easily continue sweeping after dynamax ends.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8nationaldexag-1020375961
in this replay, the zyg acts as a great cleaner, using dynamax to gain the firepower necessary to ohko ray, then proceeding to wipe out everything else.
+2 252+ Atk Zygarde-Complete Iron Tail vs. -1 0 HP / 0 Def Rayquaza-Mega: 389-458 (110.8 - 130.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
-proof the crit didn’t matter, I bumped iron tail up to 130 bp.

yes -mz
 
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Can you add Lunala to Choice Specs users? that things a beast
Also add Landorus to Calm Mind/Rock Polish sweepers
Giratina-O could also be in priority users with Shadow Sneak

going to hold off on these considering their viability in sm -mz
 
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Not too sure about the new meta but dynamax ho-oh seems ok as well; it actually gains speed from max airstream which helps and gains a ton of bulk, making it a pretty good defensive threat

it is, added -mz
 

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oh god, here is retard adf coming to u live with some smartass remarks! im just kidding bro, just a little prank, a goof. but uh gen 8 is wild and very offensive bros. heres a team thats kinda peaceful to meta. so basically, i believe that hazard stack is the new retro wave and hazard removers are just in the bin. this teams sole purpose is to spill hazards and just to pressure most offenses, since that i is what i see a whole lot. i love seeing ditto and quagsire on so many teams now that mega ray 2.0 (zacian) is on a lot of teams. But heavy duty boots is such an amazing item. Pokemon such as Ho-oh, Lugia, Rayquaza, Lunala, Yveltal, Skarmory, vivilon, Cinderace, and probably others more that I may have missed benefit from it. stall is looking very good and very hard to use right now, but that could change very fast. Anyway, here are some sets you all could potentially use!
sd dynamax kartana
sd dynamax lando T
dynamax yveltal
Life orb Cinderace
KNOCK OFF dm
gmax butterfree
corsola
corviknight
copperajah. new entry hazard!

hope im not being annoying! lol
also pm me on showdown if you need any help with teams or on discord (Tasted Sumo#8561) heart
 
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Greetings! I hope this makes a good impression.
Arceus-Steel is an excellent Dynamax user! With free Defense and SpD Boosts, along with a way to recover back your HP, it is a very scary sweeper. Just my two cents, thank you!
Arceus-Steel @ Iron Plate
Ability: Multitype
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Iron Head
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Recover
 
Hey! Arceus-Ghost is another amazing Dynamax abuser. After one Swords Dance, Max-Shadow Force is a base 182 STAB move for three turns, along with a fighting move to boost your attack! And with the lack of normal-type pokemon usage in the tier, I believe this is a very strong competitor in the metagame. Thank you!
Arceus-Ghost @ Spooky Plate
Ability: Multitype
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Shadow Force
- Brick Break
- Extreme Speed
 

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I've taken over and updated this for the current metagame. I also added sections for offensive dynamax users, defensive dynamax users, breakers, walls, top meta checks + counters and revenge killers. Hopefully it's useful, feel free to post with Pokemon you feel should be added to certain sections.
 
Is Zygarde-C really a counter to Mega Rayquaza (see mixed LO) or Zacian (see Play Rough)?

Also arc formes can't switch into Dragon Ascent, kinda rendering them checks instead of counters.

Also give DynaTwo due respect please.
 
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Could deoxys-attack be added to Dynamax abusers?
It benifits quite a bit from bulk increase allowing it to tank one weak attack usually like ho-oh sacred fire. Dynamax also boosts it's power to rlly dumb levels especially with a nasty plot set (which it can actually set up w/out sash since deoxys attack forces a lot of switches.)
Here's the set I've been playing around with.

Deoxys-Attack @ Life Orb
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 SpA/ 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid / Modest Nature (timid is preffered to outpace jolly zacian which has been seeing slightly more usage but modest can also enhance breaking power)
- Nasty Plot
- Psycho Boost/Psychic ( I prefer psycho boost for extra power under Dynamax but if you don't like spa drop without dmax you can run psychic/psyshock.)
- Dark Pulse/Superpower/Shadow Ball/ Ice Beam. (Dark Pulse is my personal pick to soften up switchins and hitting ndm. Superpower is nice for steels but not rlly great since everything already takes a gazillion damage from even resisted +2 Psycho boost. Shadow ball can hax past stuff without dmaxing while also hitting ndm but I prefer dark pulse for power under dmax. Ice beam hits zygarde before boost.)
- Thunder (hits Ho-oh)
 

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Is Zygarde-C really a counter to Mega Rayquaza (see mixed LO) or Zacian (see Play Rough)?

Also arc formes can't switch into Dragon Ascent, kinda rendering them checks instead of counters.

Also give DynaTwo due respect please.
Thanks for the suggestions:
  • I agree about Zygarde-C not properly countering MRay, moved it to the "suboptimal" section (as Draco Meteor is common enough). I left it as a counter to Zacian-Crowned however as Play Rough isn't common enough - it is suboptimal imo.
  • The 2nd point is true if Dynamax isn't present, otherwise the idea is that the 3 arceus formes listed as counters can switch into Mega Rayquaza and click their dynamax move to OHKO it after an Ascent.
  • Unfortunately Dynamax M2 isn't too good imo, and generally mons on the lower end of the VR are placed into the suboptimal section
Could deoxys-attack be added to Dynamax abusers?
It benifits quite a bit from bulk increase allowing it to tank one weak attack usually like ho-oh sacred fire. Dynamax also boosts it's power to rlly dumb levels especially with a nasty plot set (which it can actually set up w/out sash since deoxys attack forces a lot of switches.)
Here's the set I've been playing around with.

Deoxys-Attack @ Life Orb
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 SpA/ 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid / Modest Nature (timid is preffered to outpace jolly zacian which has been seeing slightly more usage but modest can also enhance breaking power)
- Nasty Plot
- Psycho Boost/Psychic ( I prefer psycho boost for extra power under Dynamax but if you don't like spa drop without dmax you can run psychic/psyshock.)
- Dark Pulse/Superpower/Shadow Ball/ Ice Beam. (Dark Pulse is my personal pick to soften up switchins and hitting ndm. Superpower is nice for steels but not rlly great since everything already takes a gazillion damage from even resisted +2 Psycho boost. Shadow ball can hax past stuff without dmaxing while also hitting ndm but I prefer dark pulse for power under dmax. Ice beam hits zygarde before boost.)
- Thunder (hits Ho-oh)
Thanks for the suggestion, Deoxys Attack is a pretty awful offensive dynamaxer, but so are the mons on the bottom end of the 'suboptimal' section, so I've added it in. The goal is I guess to add every single applicable mon to a section as long as it is on the Viability Rankings.
 
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