Who's gonna drown in your blue sea?
Are you brimming with joy distilled from detachment yet?The purpose of my post was not to give him a viable team, it was to show him some examples of what the sets should look like. I wasn't trying to rate his team, because to do so would have been very, very cruel. There isn't really a nice way to tell someone that their team is garbage and every part of it is bad, which is the conclusion that I inevitably would've come to. His team would get swept by basically every competent player and team. If I had tried to fix his team, I would've just changed it all. Of course Marsash is bad on that team, literally everything would be. That's why I told him to go and get a sample team.
You are absolutely right, newer players probably shouldn't come to me for advice, especially considering the rest of this post lmao. But I've seen no one else offer so I'd rather new players ask me something then not at all. As for the part about it not being hidden, I think I didn't express that right. The vast majority of players will never come to the forums, or ask around on chat, they'll just play on Showdown and not even know about all the resources we have. To get to the sample teams, you have to 1. Know that the forums exist 2. Know how to get there and 3. know how to get to the proper thread. There's just a high bar of entry is all I'm trying to say.
In my opinion, calling my sets sub-optimal is a tiny bit unfair. They are definitely not the standard or meta sets. but they are absolutely effective. I'm not someone who likes using the standard set for all my pokemon, it's just not who I am as a person. I experiment with a bunch of sets, and settle on the ones that work the most. But, I do agree that some of my sets were sub-optimal. I still stand by my Yveltal and especially my Pdon set but most of my others don't really hold up.
Now, time to do my favorite thing and make this about me. I'm not someone who only plays one tier. I go around and play every tier. Nat Dex Ag was one of the hardest to get into because there really wasn't that much information on the forums. There were sample teams and the viability rankings and the metagame discussion, and I guess the simple questions thread and that was about it. I realize now that I could've joined chat but I didn't know that at the time. The only reason I even came here was because I played Ubers a bunch and wanted to try out Nat Dex. If I didn't enjoy playing this tier so much then I wouldn't have even bothered. IMO, there needs to be a newcomer guide, because I know that would've helped so much. I still, to this day, don't know the EVs for some popular sets. Partly because I don't use them, and partly because I never knew how to get the EVs. Again, I now know that I could ask chat but I didn't know that at the time.
I'll give an example. If I recall correctly, my first post on this forum was a nom for Zacian to move up. In hindsight I can say that it was a really bad nomination, caused by inexperience, but no one explained that to me. People said "Your nom is shit" and never really explained why. As a new player it was really disheartening. I know a lot more now but I still have so much more to learn and I'm sure that I'm going to regret some of my posts now in the future when I look back. I used to play 1v1 in gen 7 and the community was definitely a lot different. People would explain to you why your post was bad, even if it was in a rude way. It made you feel like shit but you got better and learned more just by interacting with the forums. It feels like I go on the forums because it's what I normally do when I play a tier, and not for any competitive reason.
Honestly, that feeling is probably why this is going to be one of my last posts in Nat Dex. I'll probably move on to some other meta game. So guys, it's been... interesting. And I hope as many of you were scarred by my profile picture as possible. I just wanted to get my thoughts out about the forums before I go. I know all none of you will miss me, so please, try and hold your tears until after I'm gone. I'm comfortable in the fact that I made no difference and no one would notice that I'm gone if I didn't make this post. Take care.
On a more serious note, I think the sentiment of making a bad team just to show someone good sets makes no sense. You need a good team to demonstrate what mons work well with each other. Mashing a ton of good sets together uselessly teaches nothing about the meta. In order to give someone an actual idea of how to play the tier, you need to combine good sets with good synergies. For instance, a better way to rework that team while keeping true to the boost passing theme would have been to convert it to smashpass. I also think that it’s a bit rude to criticize people for calling bad sets bad. Bad sets can be usable if they have the correct team support, but generally speaking, they’re often strictly outclassed by other sets.
On a final, mostly unrelated note, WolfishOne, baton passing to choiced mons is generally a bad idea. A recommendation I have just to make your team a little better would be replacing eevee with a smeargle running the moves spore, shell smash, baton pass, and spectral thief, holding a focus sash.