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i've been meaning to make a more substantial post in this thread, but my thoughts are unorganized and besides that i'm not a particularly good writer. but far be it from me to call out a post for not sparking discussion, then not spark any myself, so here goes:

what does everyone else have to say about the intersection of music and queerness? this is a hard one to talk about without just drifting into "here's why i like this music" which is a topic for a different thread entirely, but i'll do my best to explain what i mean here.

for me, i think a good place to start is drowning in the sewer by sewerslvt. this music is kind of a stereotype among transfems which i find really interesting because of how totally out there it is. it's like how did all of us end up at this weird place in the middle of nowhere?

drowning in the sewer can easily be read as an album about depression; one such construction is that the album's progression represents a story about an average internet gamer becoming a pedophilic porn addict with no prospects in life and eventually committing suicide. but even this is suspiciously not too far off from right-wing stereotypes of trans women. at any rate i think this interpretation only scratches the surface anyway, so let's dive a little deeper.

one thing that really sticks out to me is this album is how light many of the songs feel, including "squids", "hopelessness", and "blacklight". the young transfem life is wispy, unstable, and ephemeral, not securely anchored to a state of being. even abusable or disposable. sewerslvt, doll twitter, hot allostatic load. it feels like they can just blow away in the wind at any moment. this of course is especially amplified when you consider the internet (another major theme of the album): many transfems, being lacking in irl community, are especially reliant on the internet for social relations. all of us are familiar with the internet friend who just disappears one day, and even without going to that extreme it's abundantly clear that you need to be there for people in real life, and they need to be there for you.

another thing drowning in the sewer does well is characterize conflict. a great example of this is "cyberia lyr2", a big, brutal song with drums, bass, and an uncaring vocal sample that beat down the listener. i see this song as the subject of the album fighting back: "i may be light, pathologized, and disposable, but i'm alive, god damn it! i can be tough too!" even later on in "death & humanity", a song well past the event horizon of the album, we see the reaffirmation of life even in the face of death: fighting a battle you know is unwinnable, but continuing nonetheless. "there is no 'real woman' to become."

drowning in the sewer ends in a haunting, devastating way. the death, plain and non-spectacular, is very clear in what it represents: annihilation. "it's over." literal death aside, assimilation--the 'trans dream' in the eyes of the vast majority of people--is also an annihilation: going stealth, abandoning your siblings, leaving it all behind in order to "make it". it seems in nearly all cases, trans joy cannot survive in a sustainable state. this is well expressed through the song "junko loves you", the last stand of unadulterated love for the world before the album enters its greatest spiral; love unreciprocated cannot be healthy.

but this joy is also something worth keeping alive at all costs. to illustrate this point, i want to bring up a song from another sewerslvt album: the appropriately named "slvtcrvsher". i fucking love this song. the cruelty of the world is stripped down to its barest form and spelled out to the listener: "stupid girl / you don't have a chance", yet the opposing trans voice rises up to meet it. to "shut your fucking mouth", it replies "fuck you!" all within an insanely manic, intense, oppressive song. fighting an impossible battle, but this time winning.

so what's the difference? i think that skitzofrenia simulation is despite the name a much more "healthy" album compared to drowning in the sewer. many of the songs are very hostile and negative in nature, with messages such as "i fucking hate antidepressants! i hate being a bad lover! i feel like my brain is broken! i hate what they're doing to the environment!" (listen to ecocide suite btw BANGER) the difference is that there is an i, a more stable entity capable of having these feelings, and capable of working through them. she's here, and she's chosen to be in it for the long haul.

in "blooming iridescent flower" and "with you forever", the last two songs on the album, we see the same joy as before, but no longer in a self-sacrificial way: loving everyone means being responsible, not spreading yourself too thin, and celebrating yourself as well. this is expressed through "blooming iridescent flower" itself being a lot more structured and energetic of a song; a being with clearly defined borders. "with you forever" tests the limits of these borders by exploring the concept of relationships, but that's a topic for another post. i even think "slvtcrvsher" is a joyous song at heart, although maybe that's just me being competitive game brained and being like "fighting is awesome".

(note: even with all of this there's still a lot i didn't cover, like the roots drowning in the sewer has in 4chan and more generally the internet "anon", and the ways its idealized and "pure" anime girls reflect onto many online transfems, though that phenomenon extends outside of anime. i wanna talk about those but im stupid and i have some funny blue pills to put in my mouth)

so yeah! my only rule for these music posts is that you have to have fun while making them. but music is awesome and is one of many ways to make "theory" less dry. so i welcome more of these kinds of posts. or you can also ratify my status as Neo-Amazonia's Biggest Pseud (Two-Time Award Winner) (Erin Makes "Worst Post Ever"; Asked To Leave Gay Pokemon Thread)

uhhh fuckin uhhhh stream machine girl - scroll of sorrow and tell me about your favorite gay music
 
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some queer tracks I've played recently to respond to cityscapes, enjoyed your breakdown of an artist I haven't heard before.

Ashnikko ft. Princess Nokia- Slumber Party lighthearted sapphic romp with good rap and beat

Moonbyul ft. Seori- Shutdown
really well directed music video, soft longing vibes, not baiting at all like some of K-Pop. Moonbyul's my favorite part of Mamamoo

Cynic- Adam's Murmur
cheating a little bit because this isn't explicitly gay, but the frontman of Cynic Paul Masvidal is. it's not hard to project homoromantic themes into this one. killer guitar solo and always rlly liked Cynic's brand of death metal that has a very improvisionational quality to it
 
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Fishy

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i've been meaning to make a more substantial post in this thread, but my thoughts are unorganized and besides that i'm not a particularly good writer. but far be it from me to call out a post for not sparking discussion, then not spark any myself, so here goes:

what does everyone else have to say about the intersection of music and queerness? this is a hard one to talk about without just drifting into "here's why i like this music" which is a topic for a different thread entirely, but i'll do my best to explain what i mean here.

for me, i think a good place to start is drowning in the sewer by sewerslvt. this music is kind of a stereotype among transfems which i find really interesting because of how totally out there it is. it's like how did all of us end up at this weird place in the middle of nowhere?

drowning in the sewer can easily be read as an album about depression; one such construction is that the album's progression represents a story about an average internet gamer becoming a pedophilic porn addict with no prospects in life and eventually committing suicide. but even this is suspiciously not too far off from right-wing stereotypes of trans women. at any rate i think this interpretation only scratches the surface anyway, so let's dive a little deeper.

one thing that really sticks out to me is this album is how light many of the songs feel, including "squids", "hopelessness", and "blacklight". the young transfem life is wispy, unstable, and ephemeral, not securely anchored to a state of being. even abusable or disposable. sewerslvt, doll twitter, hot allostatic load. it feels like they can just blow away in the wind at any moment. this of course is especially amplified when you consider the internet (another major theme of the album): many transfems, being lacking in irl community, are especially reliant on the internet for social relations. all of us are familiar with the internet friend who just disappears one day, and even without going to that extreme it's abundantly clear that you need to be there for people in real life, and they need to be there for you.

another thing drowning in the sewer does well is characterize conflict. a great example of this is "cyberia lyr2", a big, brutal song with drums, bass, and an uncaring vocal sample that beat down the listener. i see this song as the subject of the album fighting back: "i may be light, pathologized, and disposable, but i'm alive, god damn it! i can be tough too!" even later on in "death & humanity", a song well past the event horizon of the album, we see the reaffirmation of life even in the face of death: fighting a battle you know is unwinnable, but continuing nonetheless. "there is no 'real woman' to become."

drowning in the sewer ends in a haunting, devastating way. the death, plain and non-spectacular, is very clear in what it represents: annihilation. "it's over." literal death aside, assimilation--the 'trans dream' in the eyes of the vast majority of people--is also an annihilation: going stealth, abandoning your siblings, leaving it all behind in order to "make it". it seems in nearly all cases, trans joy cannot survive in a sustainable state. this is well expressed through the song "junko loves you", the last stand of unadulterated love for the world before the album enters its greatest spiral; love unreciprocated cannot be healthy.

but this joy is also something worth keeping alive at all costs. to illustrate this point, i want to bring up a song from another sewerslvt album: the appropriately named "slvtcrvsher". i fucking love this song. the cruelty of the world is stripped down to its barest form and spelled out to the listener: "stupid girl / you don't have a chance", yet the opposing trans voice rises up to meet it. to "shut your fucking mouth", it replies "fuck you!" all within an insanely manic, intense, oppressive song. fighting an impossible battle, but this time winning.

so what's the difference? i think that skitzofrenia simulation is despite the name a much more "healthy" album compared to drowning in the sewer. many of the songs are very hostile and negative in nature, with messages such as "i fucking hate antidepressants! i hate being a bad lover! i feel like my brain is broken! i hate what they're doing to the environment!" (listen to ecocide suite btw BANGER) the difference is that there is an i, a more stable entity capable of having these feelings, and capable of working through them. she's here, and she's chosen to be in it for the long haul.

in "blooming iridescent flower" and "with you forever", the last two songs on the album, we see the same joy as before, but no longer in a self-sacrificial way: loving everyone means being responsible, not spreading yourself too thin, and celebrating yourself as well. this is expressed through "blooming iridescent flower" itself being a lot more structured and energetic of a song; a being with clearly defined borders. "with you forever" tests the limits of these borders by exploring the concept of relationships, but that's a topic for another post. i even think "slvtcrvsher" is a joyous song at heart, although maybe that's just me being competitive game brained and being like "fighting is awesome".

(note: even with all of this there's still a lot i didn't cover, like the roots drowning in the sewer has in 4chan and more generally the internet "anon", and the ways its idealized and "pure" anime girls reflect onto many online transfems, though that phenomenon extends outside of anime. i wanna talk about those but im stupid and i have some funny blue pills to put in my mouth)

so yeah! my only rule for these music posts is that you have to have fun while making them. but music is awesome and is one of many ways to make "theory" less dry. so i welcome more of these kinds of posts. or you can also ratify my status as Neo-Amazonia's Biggest Pseud (Two-Time Award Winner) (Erin Makes "Worst Post Ever"; Asked To Leave Gay Pokemon Thread)

uhhh fuckin uhhhh stream machine girl - scroll of sorrow and tell me about your favorite gay music
i think artists are artists, and they almost always draw from real life experiences when creating their art! art that is meaningfully trans (as in, easily & aptly perceived that way) is totally valid, obviously, and i think it's important that artists express themselves, that's what it's all about right?

i don't have much to add as far as dissecting particularly queer music/artists, but i sure am happy they exist and are letting the world know !!
 

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I am not who I am

Everyday since I started exploring who I was in middle school I've always been a lie. I would always tell people I was straight, I would have a fake crush in school so nobody would find out. I laughed at jokes that "friends" would make to blend in. My relationships remained hidden from everyone and everything, which is partly why some didn't work. I even have a "straight voice" I use around people who think I'm straight. At work I have to hide feelings for a guy because I fear for the worst possibility, regardless of the situation.

Part of the reason I am making this post is because I hope it makes me feel better. Everyone on PS/Smogon that knows me already knows that I'm gay, so it isn't much of a coming out post. I hope it gives me courage to eventually be myself in real life.

At this point I believe I have known about my sexuality for 8ish years. At the start I felt uncomfortable with myself and tried to ignore it. I hid who I was from myself and it put me in a bad place mentally, a place that I'm still recovering from. Over time I grew to accept it but have always been shaky about it. I still have moments where I question why I am the way I am, I question why I can't be something else, and I question why I have to hide myself.
Is this normal? Should I still be questioning myself this much? I am really curious, as I said I'm still not in the best mental state about this.

However, I do plan on coming out by the end of this year. I have always felt "ready" but there has also been something in my mind that holds me back, but I don't know what that something is. My mom and brother have speculated in the past that I may be gay, and they said they'd love me regardless, but I still lied to them. Though it does make me feel a little better knowing I can talk to them first.

Thanks for reading, if you have an answer for the one or two questions I asked I'd appreciate a response. If I do manage to come out this year I might make a follow up post.
 

Fishy

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I still have moments where I question why I am the way I am, I question why I can't be something else, and I question why I have to hide myself.
Is this normal? Should I still be questioning myself this much?
do you have these questions from a place of curiosity, or a place of survival? bigoted people in the world don't define the "norm" (which is abstract at best), and their rejection of you might influence you to ask these questions not because you cannot accept yourself, but because you wonder if there must be something LOGICAL to why they cannot accept you. bigotry is 100% emotional, always remember this! this is also why you might get that tight feeling in your chest at the thought of coming out "too early"--becoming vulnerable means you might be attacked, regardless of the look of the attack. being attacked mentally or physically for our identities is traumatic, and triggering a fight or flight response by being honest versions of ourselves is exhausting.

i think you're safe to lean on your family as you already said they've given you their support directly--it's important you don't let the bad voices in your head win and make you question whether or not they are serious!! they love you very much, and are walking talking proof that you can be accepted in the world for exactly who you areeee
 

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hey folks, just a hetero (with ace tendencies) coming through. any reason the i is lowercase? it's driving me nuts. mods?

stay gay xx
Literally this:
since ur initial question was about the i being lowercase its probs bc the forum font has capital I's Look like Lowercase L's
but also to cause conversation



just call me Beyonce, for short
 
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Unpopular opinion: all trans people should carry guns
Been advocating for this for years; I'm genderfluid/bisexual, and I'm planning on getting my first gun when I (hopefully) purchase my first house by 2030.

This unfortunate "one way or the other" mentality regarding guns and gun control in the US has unfortunately become quite pervasive over the last 10 years. You either have people clamoring to "ban assault rifles" (they'll make uneducated observations like demonizing AR-15s, which are semi-automatic hunting rifles and not assault rifles, please don't get your information from mainstream news sources), or you have people clamoring to just let anyone get a gun at any time with no restrictions (they'll completely ignore problems like school shootings and perfectly reasonable compromises regarding safety precautions, please don't get your information from mainstream news sources).

My personal hot take - Any gun laws shouldn't ban guns; they should involve mandatory safety training and waiting periods for new owners/owners who haven't purchased that particular type of gun before. If you pass the requirements, you should be able to purchase the gun(s) you desire for whatever reason (collecting, sport, self-defense, etc). We should be advocating for more people in oppressed or victimized groups (LGBT, Minority, etc) to undergo firearm training and help make firearms more affordable to them via possible programs.

Until the two-party system is abolished in the United States, I think the average person understands that no corporation, law enforcement, government body, or such is going to truly help them in a time of crisis, so all of our brothers, sisters, and everyone in between should have the ability to protect themselves.
 
I don't want to derail this thread with a discussion about gun rights, but I do want to advocate that you look into local LGBTQ+-friendly gun rights and firearm safety organizations if you decide to arm yourself. They can help provide you with resources such as training on the safe handling of firearms in an environment that affirms your right to exist in a way that conservative gun groups will not, as well as solidarity in the face of fascist groups that threaten that right to exist, and even legal aid in the case that you are forced to defend yourself.

I'm a member of the Massachusetts branch of the Socialist Rifle Association, a leftist foil to fascistic gun groups like the NRA; there are many LGBTQ+ members of our organization, and we regularly organize in support of intersectionally related LGBTQ+ issues. I have also heard positive things from leftist and LGBTQ+ friends about Operation Blazing Sword/the Pink Pistols.
 
Been advocating for this for years; I'm genderfluid/bisexual, and I'm planning on getting my first gun when I (hopefully) purchase my first house by 2030.

This unfortunate "one way or the other" mentality regarding guns and gun control in the US has unfortunately become quite pervasive over the last 10 years. You either have people clamoring to "ban assault rifles" (they'll make uneducated observations like demonizing AR-15s, which are semi-automatic hunting rifles and not assault rifles, please don't get your information from mainstream news sources), or you have people clamoring to just let anyone get a gun at any time with no restrictions (they'll completely ignore problems like school shootings and perfectly reasonable compromises regarding safety precautions, please don't get your information from mainstream news sources).

My personal hot take - Any gun laws shouldn't ban guns; they should involve mandatory safety training and waiting periods for new owners/owners who haven't purchased that particular type of gun before. If you pass the requirements, you should be able to purchase the gun(s) you desire for whatever reason (collecting, sport, self-defense, etc). We should be advocating for more people in oppressed or victimized groups (LGBT, Minority, etc) to undergo firearm training and help make firearms more affordable to them via possible programs.

Until the two-party system is abolished in the United States, I think the average person understands that no corporation, law enforcement, government body, or such is going to truly help them in a time of crisis, so all of our brothers, sisters, and everyone in between should have the ability to protect themselves.
The AR-15 has been used in over half of the deadliest US mass shootings. It does not matter what the gun was made for when it is actively used for murder. We should under no circumstances be advocating for MORE guns to be placed in the hands of individuals, let alone making them MORE AFFORDABLE VIA PROGRAMS. My blood is genuinely boiling reading this post. It is horseshoe theory incarnate.
 
Oh goodness... Do we have like a gun control thread or something we can revive instead of using this one? No matter...

they'll make uneducated observations like demonizing AR-15s, which are semi-automatic hunting rifles and not assault rifles
I just wanted to go over this point first because I really don't like people using misinformation even when I fundamentally agree with them.

The AR-15 is not a hunting rifle. It was explicitly designed as a light-weight fighting carbine intended for use by infantrymen of the US army. It laid all of the groundwork for the M16 and M4 carbines that are still used, at least in some extent, by the US army, and the differences between those military firearms and an AR-15 are subtle. The 5.56x45mm cartridge that the AR-15 was designed around was explicitly designed to kill human beings, with some of the requirements that the army set including the ability to penetrate a steel helmet at 500 yards and being fired from a select-fire rifle (which early iterations of the AR-15 were; only later variants intended for civilian sale were made semi-auto only). 5.56x45mm/.223 Remington are not generally considered optimal cartridges for taking large game.

The AR-15 was undeniably designed with the primary purpose being to kill human beings. I think it's irresponsible to try to obfuscate that fact, regardless of which side of the gun debate you fall on.

We should under no circumstances be advocating for MORE guns to be placed in the hands of individuals, let alone making them MORE AFFORDABLE VIA PROGRAMS. My blood is genuinely boiling reading this post. It is horseshoe theory incarnate.
On a fundamental level, I agree with you. If I could snap my fingers and erase guns on a conceptual level from existence, of course I would do that. The express purpose of all firearms is to enact violence; like I said, I think it would be irresponsible not to acknowledge that fact. However, if an act of violence becomes the only way to prevent a greater act of violence, then it de facto becomes an act of net non-violence.

Here's the unavoidable fact of the matter; there are people in this country who do not want LGBTQ+ and other marginalized peoples to exist. There are a lot of these people. The majority of them have guns. The majority of LGBTQ+ people and their allies do not. Advocating for these marginalized groups to arm themselves and form community aid groups to protect themselves against growing fascist violence is not the same thing as advocating for free guns to be given out willy-nilly with no consideration as to where those guns are ending up.

It has been my experience that LGBTQ+ gun owners are nearly unfailingly the most responsible gun owners I meet. Consider this conjecture, if you will, but I think this stems from the fundamental reasons LGBTQ+ people own guns. They generally don't own guns because they buy into some toxic masculine gun culture bullshit. They generally don't own guns because they want to have the power to do violence to others. They own guns because they want to exist, and sometimes self-defense is the only way to protect their existence. They also usually have a much better understanding of mental health issues, and, ironically, a greater respect for firearms as what they are; tools of violence, than conservative gun owners.

I'm not sure where you're even pulling horseshoe theory from, but that seems like a non-sequitur regardless. My support for leftist and LGBTQ+ gun ownership comes from pragmatism, not a desire to see more guns in the world or ideological masturbation over the 2nd Amendment or whatever.
 
Oh goodness... Do we have like a gun control thread or something we can revive instead of using this one? No matter...



I just wanted to go over this point first because I really don't like people using misinformation even when I fundamentally agree with them.

The AR-15 is not a hunting rifle. It was explicitly designed as a light-weight fighting carbine intended for use by infantrymen of the US army. It laid all of the groundwork for the M16 and M4 carbines that are still used, at least in some extent, by the US army, and the differences between those military firearms and an AR-15 are subtle. The 5.56x45mm cartridge that the AR-15 was designed around was explicitly designed to kill human beings, with some of the requirements that the army set including the ability to penetrate a steel helmet at 500 yards and being fired from a select-fire rifle (which early iterations of the AR-15 were; only later variants intended for civilian sale were made semi-auto only). 5.56x45mm/.223 Remington are not generally considered optimal cartridges for taking large game.

The AR-15 was undeniably designed with the primary purpose being to kill human beings. I think it's irresponsible to try to obfuscate that fact, regardless of which side of the gun debate you fall on.



On a fundamental level, I agree with you. If I could snap my fingers and erase guns on a conceptual level from existence, of course I would do that. The express purpose of all firearms is to enact violence; like I said, I think it would be irresponsible not to acknowledge that fact. However, if an act of violence becomes the only way to prevent a greater act of violence, then it de facto becomes an act of net non-violence.

Here's the unavoidable fact of the matter; there are people in this country who do not want LGBTQ+ and other marginalized peoples to exist. There are a lot of these people. The majority of them have guns. The majority of LGBTQ+ people and their allies do not. Advocating for these marginalized groups to arm themselves and form community aid groups to protect themselves against growing fascist violence is not the same thing as advocating for free guns to be given out willy-nilly with no consideration as to where those guns are ending up.

It has been my experience that LGBTQ+ gun owners are nearly unfailingly the most responsible gun owners I meet. Consider this conjecture, if you will, but I think this stems from the fundamental reasons LGBTQ+ people own guns. They generally don't own guns because they buy into some toxic masculine gun culture bullshit. They generally don't own guns because they want to have the power to do violence to others. They own guns because they want to exist, and sometimes self-defense is the only way to protect their existence. They also usually have a much better understanding of mental health issues, and, ironically, a greater respect for firearms as what they are; tools of violence, than conservative gun owners.

I'm not sure where you're even pulling horseshoe theory from, but that seems like a non-sequitur regardless. My support for leftist and LGBTQ+ gun ownership comes from pragmatism, not a desire to see more guns in the world or ideological masturbation over the 2nd Amendment or whatever.
I didn't quote your post because I had no issue with yours. I understand the discussion around members of the LGTBQ community feeling the need to own a handgun for self-defense purposes. I have no qualms with that. But I take big issue with the fact that someone is not only dismissing very real concerns over the use and purpose of an AR-15 with added commentary that these weapons should be more accessible and cheaper for LGTBQ individuals because they're marginalized. Nobody needs an AR-15. If you are buying a weapon to hunt, that's great. If you are buying an AR-15 because the government made an already accessible weapon even cheaper, you are a closet conservative using self-defense as deflection for your own benefit. More guns, especially assault style weapons, are not going to save the lives of marginalized people, even if they are the ones in possession of them.
 

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Oh goodness... Do we have like a gun control thread or something we can revive instead of using this one? No matter...
Totally understand your perspective, thanks for asking.

As long as the topic stays on track with regards to the nexus of the LGBTQ+ community and gun control/use, weaving Queer politics and gun legislation is totally on par with this thread’s purpose.
 
Is it ever worthwhile to pursue your own happiness if it comes at the cost of those around you?

Silly question because the answer should be yes. But what if those around you mean the world to you, though? Like, if coming out makes everyone around you incredibly sad, would it maybe be worthwhile to stay in the closet your whole life?

Like, darn, on one hand youth is a fleeting phase of your life and you should definitely make use of it for as much as you can, but on the other, darn family sacrificed a lot of their youth to raise you and spoonfeed you, should I show the most gratitude possible and just never come out? Anyone else in this specific position? Sorry about the random rant, pffft.
 
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The AR-15 has been used in over half of the deadliest US mass shootings. It does not matter what the gun was made for when it is actively used for murder. We should under no circumstances be advocating for MORE guns to be placed in the hands of individuals, let alone making them MORE AFFORDABLE VIA PROGRAMS. My blood is genuinely boiling reading this post. It is horseshoe theory incarnate.
i'm really trying to respond to this post in a way that doesn't feel overly snarky and dismissive but i genuinely encourage you to do your own research on these topics instead of adding to a conversation that you aren't really qualified to have. regardless of you being a "cishet with asexual tendencies", it's not really your place to make blanket statements condemning trans people wanting to be armed to protect themselves in a world that actively seeks to bring them harm. horseshoe theory is a. centrist nonsense and b. has quite literally nothing to do with this conversation -- and if your reaction to trans people saying they feel the need to arm themselves for their safety is "you're just like the conservatives but on the other side!" you need to do some serious reflecting.
 

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Uh, this thread is getting derailed a lot. So I guess I’ll just announce this
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I’ve definitely felt this way since I was about 14, but have really kept this within myself, and it was not ok. Being bi just feels like who I am and announcing this out anywhere just feels extremely liberating, especially after a pretty good week for myself.
 
i'm really trying to respond to this post in a way that doesn't feel overly snarky and dismissive but i genuinely encourage you to do your own research on these topics instead of adding to a conversation that you aren't really qualified to have. regardless of you being a "cishet with asexual tendencies", it's not really your place to make blanket statements condemning trans people wanting to be armed to protect themselves in a world that actively seeks to bring them harm. horseshoe theory is a. centrist nonsense and b. has quite literally nothing to do with this conversation -- and if your reaction to trans people saying they feel the need to arm themselves for their safety is "you're just like the conservatives but on the other side!" you need to do some serious reflecting.
Are people here just ignoring the post I'm responding to? Should I remind you that the post you're calling dismissive was in direct response to choice quotes such as:

You either have people clamoring to "ban assault rifles" (they'll make uneducated observations like demonizing AR-15s, which are semi-automatic hunting rifles and not assault rifles, please don't get your information from mainstream news sources)

My personal hot take - Any gun laws shouldn't ban guns; they should involve mandatory safety training and waiting periods for new owners/owners who haven't purchased that particular type of gun before. If you pass the requirements, you should be able to purchase the gun(s) you desire for whatever reason (collecting, sport, self-defense, etc). We should be advocating for more people in oppressed or victimized groups (LGBT, Minority, etc) to undergo firearm training and help make firearms more affordable to them via possible programs.
If you take issue with me acting dismissive towards someone providing false information about the use-case of an AR-15 while also stating anyone who wants one should be able to get one, ideally even cheaper via a government program, then yeah, I guess I'm transphobic.
 
regardless of where one stands on the issue, i think it is bizarre to have a non queer person barge into this thread in a trolly manner and then start to aggressively argue against queer people talking about preferences on how to defend themselves.

i am not suggesting i fully agree with some of the points made on this topic - i just think this is what happens when we go so balls deep with inclusivity that we allow a "cishet person with ace tendencies" to bark at a queer person discussing their own safety and self defense. the horseshoe theory rhetoric is also just straight up disgusting and harmful too.

i'm not trying to do a crux redux but damn.. there needs to be some degree of knowing one's place when it comes to discussions like these.
 

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Instead of calling out individuals like I originally intended, I will just steer us completely away from discussing gun control in the United States (which is a trajectory we clearly can’t stay on), and instead toward the systemic issue of trans/Queer-presenting people being met with violence for standing out in their presentation in the first place.

If it’s not guns/arming oneself with devices that allow retaliation, what do y’all think are the answers for these dangerous and often fatal circumstances?
 

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