BH Ice Scales Kyogre-Primal [DONE]

[LOrd Fernado]

[SET]
name: Ice Scales
move 1: Recover
move 2: Scald
move 3: Haze
move 4: Flip Turn
item: Covert Cloak
ability: Ice Scales
nature: Sassy
evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
ivs: 0 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Primal Kyogre is a premier special wall thanks to its great defensive typing and high special bulk, walling common threats such as Choice Specs Mega Diancie, Calm Mind Arceus formes, and Simple + No Retreat users. Scald's high PP and burn chance consistently allow it to scare off Mega Mewtwo X looking to switch-in and force it out, and it mortally threatens Blacephalon and Mega Diancie. Haze slows down setup sweepers such as Eternatus and Palkia-O, as well as Simple + No Retreat users like Arceus-Ghost. Flip Turn lets frail teammates such as Blacephalon, Mega Diancie, and Mega Beedrill switch in safely. Covert Cloak helps Primal Kyogre against Lumina Crash from users such as Mega Alakazam, Scald from opposing Primal Kyogre, Triple Arrows from Arceus-Ghost, and Mortal Spin from Arceus formes. Ice Scales Primal Kyogre is used on teams that require a special wall against Pokemon like Mega Alakazam, Choice Specs Mega Diancie, and Arceus-Ghost. However, Primal Kyogre loses to Mixed Mega Diancie, so physical walls such as Fur Coat Mega Swampert and Arceus-Poison are very valuable to beat Pokemon such as offensive Miraidon and mixed Mega Diancie. Despite Primal Kyogre Imposter-proofing itself thanks to Covert Cloak, it can't do much against Imposter, so allies like Choice Band Kartana and Desolate Land Ho-Oh are useful to help force out Imposter users. Entry hazard setters that don't mind burns from Scald, such as Fur Coat Lunala and Prankster Celesteela, as well as Knock Off users like Covert Cloak Arceus-Dark and Arceus-Water, can force Imposter to pivot out.

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[SET]
name: Ice Scales
move 1: Recover
move 2: Scald
move 3: Haze
move 4: Flip Turn
item: Covert Cloak
ability: Ice Scales
nature: Sassy
evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
ivs: 0 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Primal Kyogre is a premier special wall thanks to it's its great defensive typing and high special bulk, walling common threats such as Blacephalon, Yveltal, and Mega Diancie Choice Specs Mega Diancie, Calm Mind Arceus formes, and Simple + No Retreat users. Scald is used as reliable Water-type STAB to hit Pokemon such as the aforementioned Blacephalon and Mega Diancie, and has utility by having a chance to burn physical attackers such as Mega Mewtwo X and Pheromosa. Scald's high PP and burn chance consistently allow it to scare off Mega Mewtwo X looking to switch in and force it out, and it mortally threatens Blacephalon and Mega Diancie. reworded to remove fluff Haze prevents slows down set-up sweepers such as Eternatus, Palkia-O, and Simple + No Retreat users like and Arceus-Ghost. (end sentence here), and Flip Turn is for slow pivoting into frail teammates such as Blacephalon, Mega Diancie, and Mega Beedrill. mention here that cloak is useful for beating bulky crash users, negating burns from imp / opposing pogre, and blocking mortal psn from cm arcs Ice Scales Primal Kyogre makes a potent defensive core with Fur Coat Miraidon or Eternatus, as both wall the super-effective Grass or Electric-type STAB moves that Kyogre is weak to. In return, Primal Kyogre Boomburst and Earth Power from Choice Specs Mega Diancie, who otherwise would OHKO Miraidon or Eternatus. i don't think that these are really relevant weaknesses; the only offensive electric is miraidon, which doesn't warrant a whole slot to check no-boost tcage, and mscept bullies these 2 anyway. scales pogre means physdef arc is an option so maybe mention fc arc-ground and arc-psn as checks to mirai and mixed mdia, both of which beat pogre Primal Kyogre Imposter-proofs itself thanks to Covert Cloak, which means it can fish for burns against Imposter users while not being threatened itself. Some ally like Choice Band Kartana may be useful to help force out Covert Cloak Imposter users, however.

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qc 1/2

 

[LOrd Fernado]

implemented, ty, ready for second qc

 

[Chessking345]

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QC 2

[SET]
name: Ice Scales
move 1: Recover
move 2: Scald
move 3: Haze
move 4: Flip Turn
item: Covert Cloak
ability: Ice Scales
nature: Sassy
evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
ivs: 0 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Primal Kyogre is a premier special wall thanks to its great defensive typing and high special bulk, walling common threats such as Choice Specs Mega Diancie, Calm Mind Arceus formes, and Simple + No Retreat Users. Scald's high PP and burn chance consistently allow it to scare off Mega Mewtwo X looking to switch in and force it out, and it mortally threatens Blacephalon and Mega Diancie. Haze slows down set-up sweepers such as Eternatus, Palkia-O, and Simple + No-Retreat users like Arceus-Ghost. Flip Turn for slow pivoting into frail teammates such as Blacephalon, Mega Diancie, and Mega Beedrill. Covert Cloak is used against Lumina Crash users such as Mega Mewtwo X pick a better example if you want to bring up Lumina, you aren't walling Lumina MMX, Scald from opposing Primal Kyogre, and Mortal Spin from Arceus formes Should definitely mention Ghostceus Triple Arrows flinch since that is very relevant. Ice Scales Primal Kyogre is used on teams that require a special wall against Pokemon like Mega Alakazam, Choice Specs Mega Diancie and Arceus-Ghost. However, Primal Kyogre loses to Mixed Mega Diancie, so physical walls such as Fur Coat Arceus-Ground FC Groundceus is not really a set or Arceus-Poison are very valuable to beat Pokemon such as offensive Miraidon and Mixed Mega Diancie. Primal Kyogre Imposter-proofs itself thanks to Covert Cloak, which means it can fish for burns against Imposter users while not being threatened itself. Some ally like Choice Band Kartana may be useful to help force out Covert Cloak Imposter users, however. This part is misleading, POgre most certainly is not self imposterproof if all you can do is threaten Imposter with a burn, which it more or less finds better than Poison/Para most of the time. Need to emphasize this point and add actual "improofs" in addition to the offensive threats you bring up at the end. Not easy to force Imposter out but look for stuff that can do things like set hazards and knock while not being burned pp from Scald.

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[LOrd Fernado]

GP Team, ready for gp

 

[xapx]

amgp
add/fix remove (AC) add comma (RC) remove comma

phat phish

[SET]
name: Ice Scales
move 1: Recover
move 2: Scald
move 3: Haze
move 4: Flip Turn
item: Covert Cloak
ability: Ice Scales
nature: Sassy
evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
ivs: 0 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Primal Kyogre is a premier special wall thanks to its great defensive typing and high special bulk, walling common threats such as Choice Specs Mega Diancie, Calm Mind Arceus formes, and Simple + No Retreat Users. Scald's high PP and burn chance consistently allow it to scare off Mega Mewtwo X looking to switch in and force it out, and it mortally threatens Blacephalon and Mega Diancie. Haze slows down set-up setup sweepers such as Eternatus, Palkia-O, and Simple + No-Retreat No Retreat users like Arceus-Ghost. Flip Turn for slow pivoting into lets frail teammates such as Blacephalon, Mega Diancie, and Mega Beedrill switch in safely. Covert Cloak is used against helps Primal Kyogre against Lumina Crash users such as Mega Alakazam, Scald from opposing Primal Kyogre, Triple Arrows from Arceus-Ghost, and Mortal Spin from Arceus formes. Ice Scales Primal Kyogre is used on teams that require a special wall against Pokemon like Mega Alakazam, Choice Specs Mega Diancie,(AC) and Arceus-Ghost. However, Primal Kyogre loses to Mixed Mega Diancie, so physical walls such as Fur Coat Mega Swampert or Arceus-Poison are very valuable to beat Pokemon such as offensive Miraidon and Mixed Mega Diancie. Despite Primal Kyogre Imposter-proofing itself thanks to Covert Cloak, it can't do much against Imposter, so allies like Choice Band Kartana and Desolate Land Ho-Oh will be useful to help force out Imposter users. Hazard Entry hazard setters that don't mind burns from Scald, such as Fur Coat Lunala and Prankster Celesteela, as well as Knock Off users like Covert Cloak Arceus-Dark or Arceus Water, can force Imposter to pivot out as well as Knock Off users like Covert Cloak Arceus-Dark or Arceus-Water. (I assume you're saying koff users can force imposters out, not entry hazard setters forcing koff users out)

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[LOrd Fernado]

implemented, ty ready for GP GP Team

 

[LOrd Fernado]

done i think...

 

[UT]

LOrd Fernado this is a practice GP check (AMGP), not a final check. Please move it back to GP 0/1

 

[autumn]

LOrd Fernado, post: 9753861, member: 629794

[SET]
name: Ice Scales
move 1: Recover
move 2: Scald
move 3: Haze
move 4: Flip Turn
item: Covert Cloak
ability: Ice Scales
nature: Sassy
evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
ivs: 0 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Primal Kyogre is a premier special wall thanks to its great defensive typing and high special bulk, walling common threats such as Choice Specs Mega Diancie, Calm Mind Arceus formes, and Simple + No Retreat Users users. Scald's high PP and burn chance consistently allow it to scare off Mega Mewtwo X (add back in the part about mmx trying to force it out if you think it's relevant), and it mortally threatens Blacephalon and Mega Diancie. Haze slows down setup sweepers such as Eternatus (RC) and Palkia-O, and as well as Simple + No Retreat users like Arceus-Ghost. Flip Turn lets frail teammates such as Blacephalon, Mega Diancie, and Mega Beedrill switch in safely. Covert Cloak helps Primal Kyogre against Lumina Crash from users such as Mega Alakazam, Scald from opposing Primal Kyogre, Triple Arrows from Arceus-Ghost, and Mortal Spin from Arceus formes. Ice Scales Primal Kyogre is used on teams that require a special wall against Pokemon like Mega Alakazam, Choice Specs Mega Diancie, and Arceus-Ghost. However, Primal Kyogre loses to Mixed mixed Mega Diancie, so physical walls such as Fur Coat Mega Swampert or and Arceus-Poison are very valuable to beat Pokemon such as offensive Miraidon and Mixed Mega Diancie. Despite Primal Kyogre Imposter-proofing itself thanks to Covert Cloak, it can't do much against Imposter (what does this actually mean? while it can imposter proof itself can't do mmuch damage?), so allies like Choice Band Kartana and Desolate Land Ho-Oh will be are useful to help force out Imposter users. Entry hazard setters that don't mind burns from Scald, such as Fur Coat Lunala and Prankster Celesteela, as well as Knock Off users like Covert Cloak Arceus-Dark or and Arceus-Water (any reason these lists can't be combined into one if they're all describing the same thing? it's really awkward to read rn but im not sure if a distinction between them was intentional), can force Imposter to pivot out.

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notes for amcheck

xapx the main comment I have here is to use blue (any shade) for additions instead of green. Writers and used to blue = add red = remove as a colour scheme, so differentiating too far from that can make checks less intuitive to follow, especially if a GPer stamps over them in future. The colour contrast between blue/red is a lot easier to see than green/red too. Doing this will help bring your check to the standard GP formatting.
- There's no need to capitalise "users" of a move.
- As GP, you never ever ever want to edit or alter content. Content has been checked by relevant metagame expects, and GP doesn't have the relevant meta knowledge or authority to edit what content goes in an analysis. Because we don't know the meta, we don't know whether Mega Mewtwo X forcing out Kyogre is an interaction that's relevant enough to mention. By blindly removing content, you could end up removing important nuances of the analysis without realising. Make sure to GP the content that's there, not what you think should be there!
- Lists should follow a parallel structure throughout; all clauses must make sense following the original. With set setup sweepers sentence, you have
Setup sweepers such as Eternatus
Setup sweepers such as Palkia-O
Setup sweepers such as Simple + No Retreat users like Arceus-Ghost
- The final clause doesn't follow the "setup sweeters such as x pokkemon" structure, so I separated the lists out for it to work grammatically.
- Similarly, in the Covert Cloak sentence, I changed the first clause to match the structure of the others.
- Set names (offensive, defensive, mixed etc) and playstyles (hyper offense, bulky offense, stall etc) aren't capitalised.
- 'x and y' is plural, while 'x or y' is singular. If you're referring to multiple things (teammates, threats, foes etc) then you need to use 'and' in lists of examples to ensure agreement. If you're talking about one thing (a teammate, a threat, a foe etc) then you need to use 'or.' In the sentence "physical walls such as Fur Coat Mega Swampert or Arceus-Poison," the word "walls" is plural, so "or" needs to change to "and" to make sure the sentence agrees.
- Similarly, "Knock Off users like Covert Cloak Arceus-Dark or Arceus-Water," - users is plural, so or -> and
- I changed "will be" to "are" to avoid weird future tense - the analysis is writing about the current meta so no need for this to be used.

 

[LOrd Fernado]

Yes autumn Primal Kyogre improofs itself with Mortal Spin + Covert Cloak, but cannot do much damage in return
(changes implemented)