Rejected - Inactive Get the exact Smogon sets usage stats

[NicoDeVang]

Hi everyone,

Today, I would like to fingerpoint a very huge problematic we have (since ages) in Pokémon strategy, which is: "when someone wants to start playing a Pokémon, they don't know how to play it".

• The Smogon sets usage stats https://www.smogon.com/stats/2020-10-DLC2/moveset/ are necessary and extremely useful cuz it is a very accurate support for teambuilding, but... even if we know that a Pokémon is played with such item or such ability, we still don't know accurately what sets are part of the metagame... (Ex: Choice Band on Excadrill is meta, Mold Breaker on Excadrill is meta, but Choice Band + Mold Breaker on Excadrill is not meta, same for Dragapult with Dragon Dance and Leftovers, same for Corviknight with the Careful Nature and Rocky Helmet...) => we still don't know accurately how to play some Pokémon
• The Smogon website https://www.smogon.com/dex/ss/pokemon/ is pretty solid and consistent, but meets the huge limit to be contributed by humans and not by computers => Sets can be "too old" or "not strong anymore in the current metagame", and worse => sets can take a huge time to be up to date because it needs metagame to be stable (that's the reason why today we're still not having a Zapdos-Galar set in the Smogon website) => we still don't know accurately how to play some Pokémon
• We also have other sources like the Pokémon Showdown sets https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/data/sets/gen8ou.json which are pretty good but "less" than the Smogon website, we have Babiri https://www.babiri.net/#/teamsou which only shows some Pokémon cores but without sets, Pikalytics also, and many others, which are fair, but not enough to solve this problem.

So what do we have currently? Nothing consistent. But now, I'll ask another question.

How could we definitely solve this problem?

With this. http://stats.pokemon-online.eu/Wifi OU/212.html Nothing else than this. "The exact sets usage stats", but for Smogon this time.
If we could have the exact sets usage stats of Smogon, we could:

• Start playing a Pokémon whenever we want, in the format we want, and having the certitude that the set we are building is strong (or at least "used in this current metagame") => quite more easy to build a strong team and make the Smogon community even more rich
• Increase the viability of the Smogon website: those sets could be automatically added to the Smogon website (and automatically removed when they are old school), and then contributed by humans with commentaries for example. It would be quite less time-consuming that having to manually contribute all sets + their complete analysis + manually delete old school sets, all of that with approval waitings...
• Improve the Pokémon Showdown Random Battle format, by automatically picking those sets for the format instead of manually putting and removing the Random Battle sets (like in the Smogon website)

But the last question is. How could we implement this?

It should cost some time and/or money. And if that's the case, I could discuss it by DM with someone working on the Smogon stats, I can contribute on this. I am a developer, I know how to code, I could help as much as possible on this. An algorithmic draft would be like:

Array combinations;
Tree <Pokémon <combinations => stats> > tree;
for each Pokemon p played in pokémon Showdown {
    combination = "Moves of p"
    put to tree <p, <combination,["Ability played with this combination of moves","Item played with this combination of moves","Nature","Spread"...]>>
}
for each Pokémon p in tree {
    What is the % usage of p ?
    for each moves combination of p {
        What is the % usage of this combination of moves for p?
        What is the % usage of the x Ability with this combination of moves?
        What is the % usage of the x Item with this combination of moves?
        What is the % usage of the x Nature with this combination of moves?
        ...
    }
}

Tks a lot,

Nico

 

[Zokuru]

That would be a huge quality of life improvement I agree