Gastrodon [QC:1/2]

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[SET]
name: Specially Defensive
move 1: Scald
move 2: Toxic
move 3: Confide
move 4: Recover
item: Leftovers / Heavy-Duty Boots
ability: Storm Drain
nature: Calm
evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

Gastrodon holds a niche in the AG metagame due to its water immunity, most notably letting it wall almost every Kyogre and Palkia set. It faces incredibly heavy competition from Blissey for this role, however, but Gastrodon has a few traits that let it carve out its own usage as a wall. Storm Drain is a great help to it, allowing it to never fear any Water-type attacks from Kyogre, while Blissey needs to hold Utility Umbrella to stave off Choice Specs Water Spouts. This ability gives Gastrodon the freedom to hold an item, giving it more longevity for itself which it needs. Scald is the only attacking move it carries, punishing would be switch ins like Zacian-C, Zygarde, and Zekrom with a potential burn. Toxic is for chipping down walls that can stand up to its weak attacking stats such as Kyurem-W and Yveltal. Confide is essential for beating Calm Mind Kyogre, which otherwise could boost to +6 special attack and special defense and stall out Gastrodon with Rest, and Recover is standard for longevity, being necessary for keeping Gastrodon around while taking hits. Leftovers is preferred for giving Gastrodon more passive recovery, but Heavy-Duty Boots is a viable item option as well to negate entry hazard chip and to not get poisoned by Toxic Spikes which is extremely important if they are on the field. Max Special Defense and Max HP with Calm Nature maximizes its special bulk, focusing everything on countering the special attacking Water-types and a few other special attackers like Lunala.

The main attraction of Gastrodon is countering Kyogre and Palkia, something that many teammates can benefit from. Groudon and Zygarde both dislike facing defensive Kyogre, and Gastrodon gives them some freedom to attack then switch into a solid counter against most defensive Kyogre sets. Groudon also is able to pressure status absorbing walls like Blissey and Eternatus which wall Gastrodon's pitiful damage output, something Zacian-C and other physical wallbreakers can help with as well. Defensive teammates such as Necrozma-DM and Ho-oh also have much less to fear with Gastrodon beside them to cover some of their biggest weaknesses. Gastrodon only covers a small amount of Pokemon defensively, however, and as such requires a good amount of support around it to make up for its weaknesses. Gastrodon can't switch into most physical attackers like Zacian-C, Zekrom, and Zygarde, making Necrozma-DM who walls the former two and Lunala who walls the latter two solid partners. Tyranitar is a very bulky wall that can check Calyrex-S and Yveltal, helping with some dangerous threats to Gastrodon. Ho-Oh can also work as a strong defensive pivot into Pokemon like Xerneas, and it also pressures Ferrothorn which is a big threat to Gastrodon.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Gastrodon can use Earthquake in place of Toxic with a Sassy nature to apply more pressure on Zacian-C, Zekrom, and Eternatus, but the loss of utility is usually detrimental.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Ferrothorn**: Ferrothorn is immune to Toxic and can OHKO Gastrodon with Power Whip or 3 or more Bullet Seed hits, making it a very safe switch in. It doesn't appreciate a Scald burn, but can still use Gastrodon as an opportunity to set Spikes as well as being able to freely Leech Seed and Knock Off items as it is forced to switch.

**Gothitelle**: Gothitelle can switch into Gastrodon without taking much damage from any hit and proceed to PP stall it with Rest, Taunt, and Cosmic Power. If Gastrodon is caught trapped with Shadow Tag it is essentially already KO'd, as there is no way for it to beat Gothitelle reliably.

**Status Absorbers**: Many common status absorbers such as Blissey, Eternatus, and Giratina don't fear any of the moves Gastrodon uses while threatening back with Toxic, extremely limiting its walling capabilities long term.

**Wallbreakers**: With average overall bulk, Gastrodon is susceptible to being broken by many common wallbreakers such as Marshadow, Xerneas, and Yveltal.

**Taunt**: Yveltal and Grimmsnarl can shut down Gastrodon's recovery and status options then slowly chip it with their strong STAB moves.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Fc, 511624]]
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[SET]
name: Specially Defensive
move 1: Scald
move 2: Toxic
move 3: Confide
move 4: Recover
item: Leftovers / Heavy-Duty Boots
ability: Storm Drain
nature: Calm
evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

Gastrodon holds a niche in the AG metagame due to its water immunity, most notably letting it wall almost every Kyogre and Palkia set. It faces incredibly heavy competition from Blissey for this role, however, but Gastrodon has a few traits that let it carve out its own usage as a wall. Storm Drain is a great help to it, allowing it to never fear any Water-type attacks from Kyogre, while Blissey needs to hold Utility Umbrella to stave off Choice Specs Water Spouts. This ability gives Gastrodon the freedom to hold an item, giving it more longevity for itself which it needs. (this introduction should also mention somewhere that Gastrodon is passive, which limits the amount of teams it can fit on and invites in Pokemon like Eternatus and Ferrothorn very freely. Also, despite being a special wall, Gastrodon can't really stand up to the other special attackers in the tier like Calyrex-S, offensive Yveltal, Xerneas, etc.) Max Special Defense and Max HP with Calm Nature maximizes its special bulk, focusing everything on countering the special attacking Water-types and a few other special attackers like Lunala. (move EV explanation down after you talk about the moves) Scald is the only attacking move it carries, pressuring switch ins with the potential to burn while dealing a small bit of damage (list some examples of mons that don't like being burned, like Zacian-C, Necrozma-DM, and Dragon Dance Zygarde-C). Toxic is for chipping things down instead of using its weak attacking stats to do so (which threats can Toxic cripple? list some examples like Yveltal, Kyogre, and Kyurem-W), (replace comma with period) Confide is essential for beating Calm Mind Kyogre, which otherwise could boost to +6 special attack and special defense and stall out Gastrodon with Rest, and Recover is standard for longevity, being necessary for keeping Gastrodon around while taking hits. Leftovers is preferred for giving Gastrodon more passive recovery, but Heavy-Duty Boots is a viable item option as well to limit hazard chip from Spikes and Stealth Rock and to not get poisoned by Toxic Spikes which is extremely important if they are on the field.

The main attraction of Gastrodon is countering Water-types Kyogre and Palkia (nitpick, but Gastrodon isn't a good counter to Dracovish, since Dragon Rush 2HKOes it. it obviously struggles against Lapras as well), something that many teammates can benefit from. Groudon and Zygarde both dislike facing defensive Kyogre, and Gastrodon gives them some freedom to attack then switch into a solid counter against most defensive Kyogre sets. Defensive teammates such as Necrozma-DM and Ho-oh also have much less to fear with Gastrodon beside them to cover some of their biggest weaknesses. Eternatus is also commonly used to check Kyogre defensively, but if paired with a Gastrodon it can use a deadly offensive Life Orb or Power Herb Meteor Beam set instead of using a specially defensive set as a Kyogre check is already present as its teammate (eh idk abt this, I wouldn't be running LO Eternatus with Gastrodon since they probably fit on different teams). Gastrodon only covers a small amount of Pokemon defensively, however, and as such requires a good amount of support around it to make up for its weaknesses. Gastrodon can't switch into most physical attackers (like? ik this is more of a general point but still listing examples of physical attackers that threaten Gastrodon would be good) due to it's low bulk, so teammates that switch into those are crucial for it. Necrozma-DM can assist in checking Zacian-C and Xerneas, and Zekrom, Groudon, and Zygarde can be walled by Lunala, giving Gastrodon partners to make up for where it lacks.

- checks to threatening walls such as Blissey and Eternatus should definitely be mentioned here
- mention Tyranitar (since i'm pretty sure it fits on Gastrodon teams) as a check to both Calyrex-S and specially offensive Yveltal


[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Ground-type coverage Earthquake (EQ > Earth Power; EQ deals much more damage to spdef Eternatus) is an option that is usable from Gastrodon, giving it a harder hit against Pokemon like Eternatus, Zacian-C, and Zekrom and Kyogre (EQ does very little damage against Kyogre, you're better off crippling it with Toxic or disrupting it with Confide) iwhile being slightly less passive overall. These would be chosen over Toxic typically, with the nature being changed to Sassy if Earthquake was the option used, but the Ground-type coverage Earthquake is generally worse than the standard moveset as Toxic as it is very helpful for breaking down some walls and discouraging threats like Kyurem-W from always switching in and threatening with Freeze-Dry with no repercussion.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Ferrothorn**: Ferrothorn is immune to Toxic and can OHKO Gastrodon with Power Whip, making it a very safe switch in. It doesn't appreciate a Scald burn, but can still use Gastrodon as fodder for hazard set up an opportunity to set Spikes as well as being able to freely Leech Seed and Knock Off items as it is forced to switch.

**Gothitelle**: Gothitelle can switch into Gastrodon without taking much damage from any hit and proceed to PP stall it with Rest, Taunt, and Cosmic Power. If Gastrodon is caught trapped with Shadow Tag it is essentially already KO'd, as there is no way for it to beat Gothitelle reliably.

**Toxic Users Status Absorbers**: (this feels more accurate since Blissey, Eternatus, and Giratina can easily absorb Toxic in their own ways) Many common Toxic users status absorbers such as Blissey, Eternatus, and Giratina don't fear any of the moves Gastrodon uses while threatening back with Toxic, extremely limiting its walling capabilities long term.

**Wallbreakers**: (mention that, due to Gastrodon's average bulk, it is overwhelmed by powerful wallbreakers such as Calyrex-S, Yveltal, Marshadow, and Xerneas)

**Taunt**: (this is probably worth mentioning since Taunt users such as Yveltal and Grimmsnarl can only force Gastrodon to use Scald, preventing it from crippling them with Toxic or healing with Recover)


[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Fc, 511624]]
- Quality checked by: [[username1, userid1], [username2, userid2]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1], [username2, userid2]]

decent work, lmk when this is implemented on discord for another check
(sorry for the wait too, Gastrodon is very uncommon in this tier)

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Geysers

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[SET]
name: Specially Defensive
move 1: Scald
move 2: Toxic
move 3: Confide
move 4: Recover
item: Leftovers / Heavy-Duty Boots
ability: Storm Drain
nature: Calm
evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

Gastrodon holds a niche in the AG metagame due to its water immunity, most notably letting it wall almost every Kyogre and Palkia[nobody has used palkia in like 2 years lol] set. It faces incredibly heavy competition from Blissey and Eternatus for this role, however, but Gastrodon has a few traits that let it carve out its own usage as a wall. Storm Drain is a great help to it, allowing it to never fear any Water-type attacks from Kyogre, while Blissey needs to hold Utility Umbrella to stave off Choice Specs Water Spouts. This ability gives Gastrodon the freedom to hold an item, giving it more longevity for itself which it needs. Scald is the only attacking move it carries, punishing would-(AH)be switch ins like Zacian-C, Zygarde, and Zekrom with a potential burn. Toxic is for chipping down allows Gastrodon to cripple walls that can shrug off its burns stand up to its weak attacking stats such as Kyurem-W and Yveltal. Confide is essential for beating Calm Mind Kyogre, which otherwise could boost to +6 special attack and special defense and stall out Gastrodon with Rest, and Recover is standard for longevity, being necessary for keeping Gastrodon around while taking hits. Leftovers is preferred for giving Gastrodon more passive recovery, but Heavy-Duty Boots is a viable item option as well to negate entry hazard chip and to not get poisoned by Toxic Spikes which is extremely important if they are on the field. Max Special Defense and Max HP with Calm Nature maximizes its special bulk, focusing everything on countering the special attacking Water-types and providing some utility against a few other special attackers like Lunala.

The main attraction of Gastrodon is countering Kyogre and Palkia (lol), something that many teammates can benefit from. Groudon and Zygarde both dislike facing defensive Kyogre, and Gastrodon gives them some freedom to attack then switch into a solid counter against most defensive Kyogre sets. Groudon also is able to pressure status absorbing walls like Blissey and Eternatus which wall Gastrodon's pitiful damage output, something Zacian-C and other physical wallbreakers can help with as well. Defensive teammates such as Necrozma-DM and Ho-oh also have much less to fear with Gastrodon beside them to cover some of their biggest weaknesses. Gastrodon only covers a small amount of Pokemon defensively, however, and as such requires significant a good amount of support around it to make up for its weaknesses. Gastrodon can't switch into most physical attackers like Zacian-C, Zekrom, and Zygarde, making Necrozma-DM who walls the former two and Lunala who walls the latter two solid partners. Tyranitar is a very bulky wall that can check Calyrex-S and Yveltal, helping with some dangerous threats to Gastrodon. [you gotta mention yveltal here lol] Ho-Oh can also work as a strong defensive pivot into Pokemon like Xerneas, and it also pressures Ferrothorn, (AC) which is a big threat to Gastrodon.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Gastrodon can use Earthquake in place of Toxic with a Sassy nature to apply more pressure on Zacian-C, Zekrom, and Eternatus, but at the cost of rendering Gastrodon more vulnerable to Ho-Oh, Yveltal, and Kyurem-W. but the loss of utility is usually detrimental.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Ferrothorn**: Ferrothorn is immune to Toxic and can OHKO Gastrodon with Power Whip or 3 or more Bullet Seed hits, making it a very safe switch in. It doesn't appreciate a Scald burn, but can still use Gastrodon as an opportunity to set Spikes as well as being able to freely Leech Seed and Knock Off items as it is forced to switch.

**Gothitelle**: Gothitelle can switch into Gastrodon without taking much damage from any hit and proceed to PP stall it with Rest, Taunt, and Cosmic Power. If Gastrodon is caught trapped with Shadow Tag it is essentially already KO'd, as there is no way for it to beat Gothitelle reliably.

**Status Absorbers**: Many common status absorbers such as Blissey, Eternatus, and Giratina don't fear any of the moves Gastrodon uses while threatening back with Toxic, extremely limiting its walling capabilities long term.

**Wallbreakers**: With average overall bulk, Gastrodon is susceptible to being broken by many common wallbreakers such as Marshadow, Xerneas, and Yveltal.

**Taunt**: Yveltal and Grimmsnarl [why would this interaction ever be relevant?] can shut down Gastrodon's recovery and status options then slowly chip it with its their strong STAB moves.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Fc, 511624]]
- Quality checked by: [[Rotten, 491896], [Geysers, 426798]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1], [username2, userid2]]

I think I can check this since I'm technically? inactive qc!
QC 2/2

e: if this gets archived for being unranked (probably should happen tbh) could whatever kind soul does the archiving delete this post first? thanks
 
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