Announcement BDSP OU Council Minutes and Surveys

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dhelmise

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Hello everyone. This thread will be where the BDSP OU council minutes are recorded and we post information pertaining to future BDSP OU playerbase surveys. It will remain locked, and a member of the council will post updates when appropriate.

With regards to council minutes, the BDSP OU council has been actively discussing the metagame throughout the generation, making decisions that impact the progression of the tier. The BDSP OU council has countless passionate players and posters that closely follow the metagame, even participating in the tiering process through surveys, suspects, and discussions. It is part of the duty as the BDSP OU council to be transparent with the community they serve, so the BDSP OU council will be using this thread to keep a rough log of the topics they are discussing and inform the playerbase of council happenings. If you have any questions, feel free to shoot one of the council members a PM.

With regards to playerbase surveys, the BDSP OU council values the input of its playerbase and feels that this input can be used to help guide them throughout the decision making process. The BDSP OU council is able to ask questions about topics they are discussing and potentially gain a greater understanding on the perception of other players who frequent the metagame. These surveys allow for the BDSP OU council to gain information pertinent to the tiering process from both the general playerbase and specific individuals with more proven degrees of competency due to success on the ladder or in tournaments. If you have any questions, feel free to shoot one of the council members a PM.
 

dhelmise

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The deadline for the January 2022 survey passed recently, and we received 329 responses (330 if you count the person who pretended to be me haha!)! Thanks everyone for participating, and please don't be afraid to continue sharing your thoughts on the state of the metagame in the various threads in the BDSP forum.

Similar to other tiers, we will be using two demographics to look at the state of the metagame. The first demographic is compiled of people who participated in the survey. However, the second demographic is people who qualify through that plus tournament standings. In future surveys, we will include people in the top 100 (or so) of the ladder as well. Without further ado, let's get into the results!

On a scale of 1-10, how much do you enjoy the current metagame? See: do you enjoy playing it?
Forms response chart. Question title: On a scale of 1-10, how much do you enjoy the current metagame? See: do you enjoy playing it?. Number of responses: 329 responses.

With 329 different responses, the average response was a 7.64/10, meaning that most players are enjoying the metagame. This is a good start!

Of the 12 qualified responses, the average response was 7.58/10, which means that most experienced players are enjoying the metagame as well. Nobody gave a score lower than 5.

On a scale of 1-10, how good do you find the current metagame? See: do you find it competitive?
Forms response chart. Question title: On a scale of 1-10, how good do you find the current metagame? See: do you find it competitive?. Number of responses: 329 responses.

With 329 different responses, the average response was a 7.35/10, meaning that most players find the metagame decently competitive. This is a good start considering the number of prominent threats, but there's likely room for improvement.

Of 12 qualified responses, the average response was 7.5/10, meaning that most experienced players find the metagame fairly competitive as well. Yet again, the lowest here was a 5.

Which statement most accurately describes how you feel about Manaphy in BDSP OU?
Forms response chart. Question title: Which statement most accurately describes how you feel about Manaphy in BDSP OU?. Number of responses: 329 responses.

Of the 329 responses, 61.1% of the general playerbase believes that tiering action of some sort should be taken regarding Manaphy. Only 28.3% of the playerbase believes that no action should be taken.

The outcome of the 12 qualified responses is somewhat similar with 58.33% of the experienced players supporting some sort of tiering action against Manaphy. However, unlike the general playerbase, 41.67% of the experienced responses believe that Manaphy is generally balanced in the current metagame.

Which statement most accurately describes how you feel about Alakazam in BDSP OU?
Forms response chart. Question title: Which statement most accurately describes how you feel about Alakazam in BDSP OU?. Number of responses: 329 responses.

Of the 329 responses, 65% of the general playerbase believes that no tiering action is necessary for Alakazam. Only 28.3% of the playerbase believes that no action should be taken. 23.8% of the participants believe that some sort of tiering action should be taken.

However, the 12 experienced responses contest this; 58.33% of qualified responses support a suspect test for Alakazam, with the other 41.67% believing that Alakazam's currently fine in the metagame.

Which statement most accurately describes how you feel about Latios in BDSP OU?
Forms response chart. Question title: Which statement most accurately describes how you feel about Latios in BDSP OU?. Number of responses: 329 responses.

Of the 329 responses, 55.4% of the general playerbase believes that Latios is problematic for the metagame to some degree, whereas 39.9% of the playerbase believes that Latios is generally fine.

Of the 12 qualified voters, 75% believe that some sort of tiering action should be taken against Latios, while the other 25% believe Latios is currently fine.

Which statement most accurately describes how you feel about Gengar in BDSP OU?
Forms response chart. Question title: Which statement most accurately describes how you feel about Gengar in BDSP OU?. Number of responses: 329 responses.

Of the 329 responses, 67.2% of them believe that Gengar is fine in the current metagame, whereas 34.3% of the playerbase believes that it could benefit from some tiering action.

Of the 12 qualified responses, one decided to abstain; however, 72.7% of the qualified voters that didn't abstain believe that tiering action of some sort should be taken against Gengar. 23.3% of the qualified responses that didn't abstain believe that tiering action is currently unnecessary.

Which statement most accurately describes how you feel about Garchomp in BDSP OU?
Forms response chart. Question title: Which statement most accurately describes how you feel about Garchomp in BDSP OU?. Number of responses: 329 responses.

Of the 329 responses, 80.9% of responses believe that no tiering action should be taken regarding Garchomp, whereas 14.2% of the playerbase believes that it could benefit from some tiering action.

Of the 12 qualified responses, 75% believe that no tiering action should be taken regarding Garchomp either. The other 25% disagree.

Thanks again for participating. PM me if you have any questions!
 

Lalaya

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The deadline for the April survey passed, and we received 175 responses (176 counting the Kris double again... at least he has fans...). They're a bit lower than the last one, but as always a thank you for everyone for participating, and please don't be afraid to continue sharing your thoughts on the state of the metagame in the various threads in the BDSP forum!

Similar to other tiers, we will be using two demographics to look at the state of the metagame. The first demographic is compiled of people who participated in the survey, while the second demographic is compiled of people who also qualified in the previous suspect (Gengar), the top 12 of the BDSP OU Winter Seasonal, the top 100 in ladder and the BDSP OU Council members. That being said, let's see the results!

On a scale of 1-10, how much do you enjoy the current metagame? See: do you enjoy playing it?
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With 175 different responses, the average response was a 6,93/10, meaning that most people are still enjoying the game, although less than in the previous survey. We absolutely want our players to enjoy the metagame, so please keep voicing your concerns!

Of the 15 qualified responses, the average response was 7,4/10, not that far off everyone else, and also slightly less than the previous survey's result, although by very little, meaning that the more experienced players seemed to have found the right balance...? Only one person gave a score less than 5.

On a scale of 1-10, how good do you find the current metagame? See: do you find it competitive?
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With 175 different responses, the average response was 7,01/10, which is (again) worse than the last survey's result, although we're still happy to see most people are still finding the metagame fairly competitive. There is definitely room for improvement, so stay tuned for that!

Of the 15 qualified responses, the average response was 7,47/10, with nobody giving a score less than 5; this is a near identical result to the last survey's one, so we're happy to see the opinion of the metagame didn't change much, although we definitely can do better.

Which statement most accurately describes how you feel about Latios in BDSP OU?
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Of the 175 responses, 62,3% of the general playerbase believes that tiering action of some sort should be taken regarding Latios, whereas 33,2% of the playerbase believes that Latios is generally fine.

Of the 15 qualified voters, 2 decided to abstain; of the 13 qualified voters that didn't, 61,5% believe that tiering action of some form should be taken regarding Latios, while the other 38,5% believing Latios is currently fine, pretty much in line with the general playerbase.

Which statement most accurately describes how you feel about Alakazam in BDSP OU?
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Of the 175 responses, 53,1‬% of the general playerbase believes that Alakazam is currently fine in the metagame, while only 36% of the playerbase supports the idea of some tiering action regarding it.

The qualified voters strongly support the majority of the general playerbase; of the 15 qualified voters, a huge 86,7% believe that Alakazam is currently fine in the metagame, with only the 13,3% thinking otherwise.

Which statement most accurately describes how you feel about Weavile in BDSP OU?
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Of the 175 responses, a fairly large 69,7% of the general playerbase believes that Weavile is currently fine in the metagame, with only the 17,8% supporting some sort of tiering action regarding it.

Of the 15 qualified voters, 1 abstained; the 78,6% that didn't abstain believes that Weavile is currently fine in the metagame, once again in line with the general playerbase's idea; only the 21,4% thinks about some sort of tiering action regarding it.

Which statement most accurately describes how you feel about a potential re-test of Blaziken in BDSP OU?
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Of the 175 responses, 48% believe that Blaziken shouldn't be re-tested at all, and 40% believe that Blaziken should be re-tested eventually, making it a fairly split opinion.

The qualified voters seems to have a different opinion, though; 4 abstained, but the 72,7% of the qualified players that didn't abstain believe that Blaziken shouldn't be retested at all, with only the 27,3% supporting the idea of a retest.

Should Shaymin-Sky receive a suspect test in BDSP OU?
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First, I'd like to preface this: we asked about Shaymin-Sky because it was a new release, and while we wanted community opinion about it we weren't thinking about committing to any sort of tiering action about it, at least not without a huge majority supporting it.

That being said, of the 175 responses 64,6% believe that Shaymin-Sky shouldn't be tested, with only the 29,1% supporting the idea of a possible test.

The qualified voters are in line with the general playerbase on this; 1 abstained, and the 71,4% of the qualified players believe that Shaymin-Sky shouldn't be tested, while only the 28,6% thinks otherwise.

Is there anything else you would like to see get a suspect test?
There wasn't a general consensus here, so there's not much to say, although we got multiple mentions of Crawdaunt to be suspected and Rain to be retested down the line.

And that's all for this survey! Thanks again for participating. Feel free to PM me if you have any question, and don't hesitate to voice your opinions or concerns about the metagame on our threads in the forums!
 

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Here they are, the results of the last survey! (Sorry for the delay). Deadline was last Friday and we received 28 answers including 17 meeting the criteria of qualified players. Thanks to everyone who shared their opinion, this is much appreciated. 28 is not a lot but BDSP still has a commited playerbase.

BDSP players were asked first if they like playing the metagame:
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On a scale from 1 to 10, the average answer is 7.6/10. Average qualified playerbase answer is 7.4/10. With no answers below 5, the metagame is much appreciated.


How competitive and balance is the metagame?
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Average answer is 7.4/10 and average qualified answer is 7.1/10. The metagame is globally considered has being well-balanced and competitive.


Players were then asked about how they feel about a tiering action towards specific Pokémon.

About Weavile:

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Average answer is 2.8/5 and qualified answer is 2.9/5.

If there is a little support for tiering action, there is as much support against it. Weavile has been probably the most discussed Pokémon between the community and still no agreement of any source stands out as different philosophies for the tier seem to clash. Council will continue to monitor Weavile.


About Garchomp:
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Average answer is 2.4/5 and average qualified answer is 2.4/5.

A clear majority of people consider that any tiering action towards Garchomp is not necessary for now but it stays as a topic of discussion. Garchomp continues to be on the radar of the council.

As an opened question, players were asked if any other Pokémon should be on the watch list. 6 Pokémon have been individually mentioned and 2 by the qualified playerbase but only one Pokémon received multiple mentions: Starmie. That said only a total of 3 players (2 qualified) mentionned it.


In the second and last section, people shared their opinion about previous bans.

About Drizzle:
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Average answer is 2.6/5 and qualified 2.5/5.

Without the graph, it would be easy to say are not especially against a tiering action towards Drizzle ability. In reality, it was a more polarized question than expected but the result tends to say it wouldn't the right timing to unban Drizzle.


About Blaziken:
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Average answer is 2.1/5 and qualified is 2.2/5. Playerbase is sastified by the situation of Blaziken in BDSP OU.


About Manaphy:
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Average answer is 2.8/5 and qualified answer is 2.9/5.

In a similar fashion to Weavile, playerbase is showing a little of support about re-suspecting Manaphy into BDSP OU despite not reaching an agreement. If not enough to warrant immediately a tiering action, the support is enough to reach the council ears.


As a conclusion, BDSP OU council has aknowledged that the community is both happy with the current state of the metagame and interested in some changes. Council members will focus their attention and their discussion around Weavile and Manaphy but no clear immediate action is warranted by the playerbase.
 
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