Well it's a rock, so I imagine no.
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All Buffs and Nerfs in Pokemon Scarlet/Violet
- Thread starter TheDragonTexasWarrior2001
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iirc scizor gets morning sun
I don't really think so. Primarily because the case of Tail Glow, Psycho Boost and Heart Swap seems more like just an instance of inconsistencies rather than anything else. To me it feels impossible to really judge if are doing anything like this because of the inconstency in decisions.
Life Dew was already 10PP in swsh.
Slowbro has always had OU viability without teleport since gen5. It might not be as insane as gen8, but plenty viable. And Slowkings get a new pivot move anyway.
Ray... Does absolutely still hit hard without band. Dragon Ascent is still a nuke and it has many sets. Now including a possible rocks set for extra fun.
Of course band will be the go to because lol.
Sigh... this has not been confirmed in any way by any reputable source.
...It took me way too long to realize that Leafeon lost Solar Blade. 
I mean It got nerfed but got the buff it wanted the most, access to Body press is huge on It, since u wont need to rely on howl for damage boost neither CC as ur fighting STAB
> rillaboom loses grassy glide, high horsepower and superpower
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Check out the official leak doc in my signature, 'Pokémon Changes' part.
This isn't listed on the main page, but Articuno actually lost Mind Reader in favor of Haze, which hasn’t been available since Pokemon XD as a Special Move. I guess its technically buff since Haze is a lot more useful than Mind Reader, since the effect of the latter wears off if you switch, but it did lose the novelty of being one of three Pokemon with a Lock On Move + a OHKO Move, though that isn't relevant for competitive because OHKO moves are banned in Smogon, and VGC's Doubles make that strategy not possible due to double targeting and protect.
now we just need Metal Sound Zapdos to complete the set lol
Baby's first meta where you can't mash Recover into Regen spam and have to actually consider what hits you're taking
While no one would like this to be false more than me (I basically lost months and months of work getting some 25 boxes of mons ready for SV, came to the realization I definitely lost money on that BDSP travesty and suddenly lost all hype for Game Boy Online), all clues point to this being the case, most importantly the PLA and BDSP precedent and the ash greninja situation.
Also guys, I don't think you realize the MASSIVE impact losing universal toxic and widespread knock off will have in making the playstyle evolve in addition to nerfing it: Stall in my opinion isn't dead yet, it's just going to change. From a bunch of regenerating chippers with poisons and burns to DoT trappers, perish songers, slow double defense boosters, pressure stallers, phazers, maybe even a resurgence in sleep talkers
Let's see, PLA has a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT approach to moves than the MSG. Most moves are missing, and those around are reworked. Meanwhile, BDSP are buggy and have screwed up legality checkers (to say nothing of how complicated it was to get them to link to HOME).
It is a possibility, but, "all clues point to that being the case" is not on point, because the games where that was a thing were not usual games. And Centro being loud about it (so he can capitalize on it if it ends up being the case, and disregard it as if he never said anything if it isn't) is just an annoyance.
That didn't stop Entei from getting Sacred Fire. So getting Kings Shield just feels like a natural addition. It seems logical.
It was literally a shield that fought along kings.
GF pls.
Btw, Sharpness is a 50% boost. H-Samurott and Kleavor should be interesting hazard setters and Gallade finally got something.
LR
Noticing that with the reduction in HP recovery moves, we will see a loss in defensive pivots. However, there are some things to consider.
Ways this isn't that unusual
In Gen 1, recovery was much less distributed and nobody had leftovers and that meta was able to still function.
In Gen 3, Skarmory (a defensive staple) did not have a recovery move (nor did Zapdos). So perhaps it isn't unreasonable that we see a reduction in the amount of recovery moves (or at least, fewer opportunities to use them.)
Rest Talk is a strategy that could come back as that does not seem to be one of the moves nerfed by the loss in PPs. (Gen 2 memories).
Cresselia, a massive defensive staple, managed to get by with just Moonlight.
Plenty of mons have Moonlight and Morning Sun and have had competitive success. Others have Life Dew. So perhaps this won't be the craziest change.
Ways this could be problematic
Since Generation 1, there has been massive power creep. We have moves with high base power, items that increase power and abilities that can increase power further. So hits that are dished out will stick around a lot more.
Skarmory had Blissey to back it up. If that does not have Wish, and only 8 Softboiled, then a classic core that has persisted for over a decade will not be pressured like nothing else.
Rest Talk, while a staple, can be abused and doesn't address the massive powerful assault that teams are now gonna be taking. Specs Greninja's Hydro Pump, Porygon Z's Tri Attack with Adaptability and Solar Power Charizard's Flamethrower boosted further by sun are just three examples of powerful attacks that teams are gonna have to be tasked with weathering (sometimes, literally). A resting Pokemon can't just absorb these blows.
Cresselia, a massive staple, got nerfed this generation, so it's applicability in this scenario is not the same.
People don't realize it yet, but as a whole a theme I am noticing is this. There is a massive influx of offensive power, from increased access to entry hazards, to increased damage output with more STABS granted by Terrastallization, access to powerful items that increase power output further, new additions to the Poke Dex as seen with every generation and a lack of a way to sponge hits with the nerf to recovery moves.
If getting up to three layers of spikes is more commonplace, along with other hazards, moves life roost and softboiled are going to be used quickly. I am hearing a lot of options for increased offensive additions, but not much when it comes to defensive additions. It's hard to allow for a Defogger to be an option when you can easily slot in several mons who can stack entry hazards. Again, even mons like Blissey struggle with entry hazards and if they run out of softboiled, well good luck.
Now, is there evidence of a new move being released that removes entry hazards?
Because if so, then maybe the loss of defoggers won't be a major issue as we have yet another way to mitigate the role of entry hazards.
So far, we have Rapid Spin and Defog. But a third (or fourth) move to clear entry hazards would be beneficial.
TL;DR Defense is less viable and offensive pressure is stronger than ever.
Noticing that with the reduction in HP recovery moves, we will see a loss in defensive pivots. However, there are some things to consider.
Ways this isn't that unusual
In Gen 1, recovery was much less distributed and nobody had leftovers and that meta was able to still function.
In Gen 3, Skarmory (a defensive staple) did not have a recovery move (nor did Zapdos). So perhaps it isn't unreasonable that we see a reduction in the amount of recovery moves (or at least, fewer opportunities to use them.)
Rest Talk is a strategy that could come back as that does not seem to be one of the moves nerfed by the loss in PPs. (Gen 2 memories).
Cresselia, a massive defensive staple, managed to get by with just Moonlight.
Plenty of mons have Moonlight and Morning Sun and have had competitive success. Others have Life Dew. So perhaps this won't be the craziest change.
Ways this could be problematic
Since Generation 1, there has been massive power creep. We have moves with high base power, items that increase power and abilities that can increase power further. So hits that are dished out will stick around a lot more.
Skarmory had Blissey to back it up. If that does not have Wish, and only 8 Softboiled, then a classic core that has persisted for over a decade will not be pressured like nothing else.
Rest Talk, while a staple, can be abused and doesn't address the massive powerful assault that teams are now gonna be taking. Specs Greninja's Hydro Pump, Porygon Z's Tri Attack with Adaptability and Solar Power Charizard's Flamethrower boosted further by sun are just three examples of powerful attacks that teams are gonna have to be tasked with weathering (sometimes, literally). A resting Pokemon can't just absorb these blows.
Cresselia, a massive staple, got nerfed this generation, so it's applicability in this scenario is not the same.
People don't realize it yet, but as a whole a theme I am noticing is this. There is a massive influx of offensive power, from increased access to entry hazards, to increased damage output with more STABS granted by Terrastallization, access to powerful items that increase power output further, new additions to the Poke Dex as seen with every generation and a lack of a way to sponge hits with the nerf to recovery moves.
If getting up to three layers of spikes is more commonplace, along with other hazards, moves life roost and softboiled are going to be used quickly. I am hearing a lot of options for increased offensive additions, but not much when it comes to defensive additions. It's hard to allow for a Defogger to be an option when you can easily slot in several mons who can stack entry hazards. Again, even mons like Blissey struggle with entry hazards and if they run out of softboiled, well good luck.
Now, is there evidence of a new move being released that removes entry hazards?
Because if so, then maybe the loss of defoggers won't be a major issue as we have yet another way to mitigate the role of entry hazards.
So far, we have Rapid Spin and Defog. But a third (or fourth) move to clear entry hazards would be beneficial.
TL;DR Defense is less viable and offensive pressure is stronger than ever.
apparently 1.5x
It was. Rest was actually the first one that people found out about because of trailer footage.
By hard numbers I mean the calcs, using comparisons of damage. I know someone said they tried it with Gallade but I never saw their actual numerical values
Yes, I agree with this nat dex propaganda push!
I do. I even talked about offensive pokemon with pressure, like Weavile, who can eat away the recover PPs. We had the berries nerf last gen, and the Healing moves nerf in this gen, in gen 10 GF might even nerf Regenerator lol. Feels like they are forcing VGC to be the main format, by making the available pokémon more offense-oriented.
You are speaking as if it isn't already their main format?