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Plague von Karma

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Only time I can think of it. They made a huge uproar over it for years. While things came of it, I don't know how accurate the findings where. People do hate Trump with a burning passion(for good reason, but still), so there's a motive and high chance for bias. And the R & D hate each other so much that they consider each other almost the ultimate evil and the cause of all things wrong, so things can be embellished. Shit's too fucked up and corrupt to trust one side totally. And it's easy to suspect foul play with this amount of vitriol.
I am showing you blatant proof that the 2016 election was, in fact, tampered with. This is supported by a vast amount of evidence, and any time spent searching online will take you to the same answer: it was tampered with by foreign entities. I implore you to spend 15 minutes looking for yourself, it doesn't have to be some large-scale industry-tier analysis. There is no room for bias when dozens upon dozens of outlets are literally telling you the exact same thing. If you want, I can go and get a boatload of evidence for you, but with how you responded to Redew, I'm not entirely sure if it's worth my time.
 

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Who the fuck knows? Again, the sides are so fucking corrupt, accuse each other of the same things, do the same things, fuck over their bases, fuck each other over, fuck the country over, etc. It is why I asked about Republican voter fraud this election as well, as that's not being covered as much. Fairness and all. Both parties, united in mutual shittiness and corruption.
We know because we watch the actions of people in the world. You're right that both sides have their share of shit stains, but its also very true to anyone who has been keeping a close eye on the actions of people in response to world relevant events during the last four years, e.g. the murder of George Floyd, that there is only one side that has been taking clear and direct action to promote and enable voter disenfranchisement and only one party which provides a clear and loud platform for white supremacists to promote their values to the American public. Although you can justify neither side as being "good", there is only one side who has slipped so far over the line into "bad" that they have Neo-Nazis offering their public support.
 

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Just giving a shoutout to smogon’s resident nostrodamus. With the exception of Warren's decent showing, this was pretty much spot on.

The winning ticket is Biden / Harris. If we want to beat Trump it’s a slam dunk.

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EDIT 2 - Prediction:

Bernie retains his 25% base in the primary, while the 4 other serious contenders mention remain relevant through the first few states. Harris has underwhelming support in early states with the exception of California, which causes her support among black voters in the South to tip towards Biden. Mayor Pete has a surprisingly strong showing through the primary. Beto, despite fundraising never catches enough fire and drops out early. That leaves Biden, Sanders, Harris, and Mayor Pete. Harris sees no path to victory, cuts a deal with Biden for an endorsement and promise of VP slot and drops out. Biden runs the table with 40%, eventually climbing towards a solid majority. Bernie refuses to concede without more concessions in the party platform and primary process.
 
Only time I can think of it. They made a huge uproar over it for years. While things came of it, I don't know how accurate the findings where. People do hate Trump with a burning passion(for good reason, but still), so there's a motive and high chance for bias. And the R & D hate each other so much that they consider each other almost the ultimate evil and the cause of all things wrong, so things can be embellished. Shit's too fucked up and corrupt to trust one side totally. And it's easy to suspect foul play with this amount of vitriol.


Both parties are guilty of outlandish claims. And to your later point....probably. Yeah.



Who the fuck knows? Again, the sides are so fucking corrupt, accuse each other of the same things, do the same things, fuck over their bases, fuck each other over, fuck the country over, etc. It is why I asked about Republican voter fraud this election as well, as that's not being covered as much. Fairness and all. Both parties, united in mutual shittiness and corruption.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections If you want to look at this from a neutral view, just read this, as it cites numurous examples.

Would you mind:

A: telling me what the voter fraud appearantly was that you claim there was.
B: what hard (preferably multiple scources) evidence you use to support it?
 
Are people really in here trying to pretend biden isn't a sexual predator? Putting opinions on Biden's politics aside, this really isn't the hill you want to die on

there's dozens of videos/gifs of him sniffing little girls' hair which is fucking creepy, and that's just the stuff he openly does in public. Plus Tara Reade's story isn't actually debunked, people just tore their masks off and decided #MeToo only applied when they could gain clout off it

the only time "my guy is less of a rapist than your guy" should be an argument you feel proud of is when the number of people your guy has raped is zero.

edit: also bringing up epstein to try to get an own on the other guy makes you look like a partisan hack because big names in both parties are known to have been close to him. The only takeaway from that shit should be that both parties' leadership is incredibly corrupt
 
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we're getting a major national crime panic in the next four years unfort.... wish there was a place to bet on it because it's the cleanest money id ever make.
 

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Are people really in here trying to pretend biden isn't a sexual predator? Putting opinions on Biden's politics aside, this really isn't the hill you want to die on

there's dozens of videos/gifs of him sniffing little girls' hair which is fucking creepy, and that's just the stuff he openly does in public. Plus Tara Reade's story isn't actually debunked, people just tore their masks off and decided #MeToo only applied when they could gain clout off it

the only time "my guy is less of a rapist than your guy" should be an argument you feel proud of is when the number of people your guy has raped is zero.

edit: also bringing up epstein to try to get an own on the other guy makes you look like a partisan hack because big names in both parties are known to have been close to him. The only takeaway from that shit should be that both parties' leadership is incredibly corrupt
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I'm guessing he forgot that he told his supporters to vote in person and considering they listen to every word he says religiously it shouldn't be as hard as it is for him and some folks to put 2 and 2 together and realize that's why his lead vanished into thin air when they begun counting absentee ballots
This was their (Trump team, to what extent Trump himself was aware of this is unclear especially hearing some of the testimony coming out now) game-plan from the start, to point to the blue shift in overtime counts as being borne out of voter fraud (it's not, the phenomenon has been documented yearly since like...2008? and has only become more significant since) to give him an excuse not to concede the election. That's part of why he was encouraging his base to vote in-person as well / discrediting mail-in.

The reactions around the country to the results make this seem more and more like a losing strategy, but it's important to have some perspective on why exactly Trump and his team are doubling down on the misinfo they've been spreading for months now

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/ <- more detailed article
 

Plague von Karma

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Are people really in here trying to pretend biden isn't a sexual predator? Putting opinions on Biden's politics aside, this really isn't the hill you want to die on

there's dozens of videos/gifs of him sniffing little girls' hair which is fucking creepy, and that's just the stuff he openly does in public. Plus Tara Reade's story isn't actually debunked, people just tore their masks off and decided #MeToo only applied when they could gain clout off it

the only time "my guy is less of a rapist than your guy" should be an argument you feel proud of is when the number of people your guy has raped is zero.
Since Lrr is allergic to sourcing, I'll just recount the incidents I know of for the sake of discussion, as it's a conversation worth having;
There was also a really weird apology sort of thing here.

Sorry if I forgot anything, it's very spotty. Should also say this isn't to make a false equivalence with Trump, these are two separate conversations and should never be related, as all it does is demean what actually matters: justice for the victim.
 

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actually, like a vision... a jussie smollett cover of "new york city cops"... that would send me into a state of real joy for at least a couple days. i dont ask for much
 
Request to change brackets in title to [The TRUMPening].

It's not all in yet, but Trump is crushing his 2016 numbers in Florida. Maine is also trending his way, but it's so rural it could be a while. Portland is sitting on Biden w/ a 3000 vote advantage. It also seems like Rhode Island is legit going Trump. The map is creeping redder and redder as the rural votes get counted.

This was either going to be a media driven Covid disinfo election or an economy reopening election. If a state with a huge portion of the Covid vulnerable population is going bigger for Trump than in 2016, this election is already over but for the counting.

My only hope, probably unrealized, is Trump also wins the popular vote so Democrats can finally, finally reflect on the madness I said was overtaking them and would not stop a long four years ago. Trump is currently ahead, but California isn't counted yet and that will flip it entirely if its percentages look like New York.

People don't want woke, they don't want riots, and they don't want to stay in hiding until government says it's safe. American bullshit detection and can-do attitude is the GOAT!

Great insight here. I'd love to hear some more about what the people want.
 
In all seriousness, I'm not expecting much change in the next 4 years. Why?

1) Joe Biden is further right than Obama was and Obama was a centrist at best.
2) Palpatine controls the senate unless Georgia comes out in huge numbers to vote once again.

Donald Trump just received the 2nd most votes of any presidential candidate in the history of the United States. Does that sound like a country headed for a different direction?

I think we just had a ton of people that absolutely hate Donald Trump and he was still hardly defeated by a guy that could easily run as a Republican. This was simply a show of "Anything but Trump"

Look at NC. They just re-elected a democratic governor after bashing him for all his executive orders infringing on their rights but they still voted for Trump and an extremely corrupt senator.

Sadly, there is no change on the way anytime soon..
 
Hot take about the upcoming senate runoff elections:

This is more important than the presidential election and it's unlikely to be a W for the democrats. All my favourite youtubers made videos and tweets about why it's so important that you vote in the general election. Are they going to waste more of their precious subscriber's time telling you to vote for a pathetic senate election? No, of course not. The history of the next two years lies in the hands of Georgians and they don't even watch youtube down there. Plus everyone is high off hopium and will overdose come January.
 
1) Joe Biden is further right than Obama was and Obama was a centrist at best.
Based off his past policies maybe, but Biden's presidential platform is the progressive of any candidate in US history, at least by modern standards. Biden is by any reasonable account pretty far left. He's no Bernie Sanders but the BiDeN iS a ModeRaTe garbage is a republican propaganda point that's pretty far from the truth.

Granted your second point is true, Republican Senate will make a lot of things hard for him.
 
Based off his past policies maybe, but Biden's presidential platform is the progressive of any candidate in US history, at least by modern standards. Biden is by any reasonable account pretty far left. He's no Bernie Sanders but the BiDeN iS a ModeRaTe garbage is a republican propaganda point that's pretty far from the truth.

Granted your second point is true, Republican Senate will make a lot of things hard for him.
Just because it is more progressive than any other candidate does not make him left leaning. It just proves how much control corporations and money have in the US election process. Run Biden in any other country and tell me he is left leaning...

Alternatively, please share these progressive policies he has?
Expanding ACA (The bill basically created by Mitt Romney)?

Sure, maybe you'll find something, but his voting record speaks for itself. He has constantly been on the wrong side of social issues, wars, education, etc. his entire career.
 

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A common thing I hear from people is that the US is so far right that centrist beliefs are often seen as left-wing, and honestly, it rings true with how Obama and Biden are seen.

Here's a single example of how far right the US is...free healthcare is seen as some bizarre communist thing, when in many developed countries, like here in the UK, it's just standard. The red scare enabled capitalism to monetize public health, and any threat to that monopoly is seen as socialism. Guess what country has the most trouble differentiating socialism and communism? America, long and far, and the education system enables it due to how effortless it makes keeping that monopoly alive.
 
Just because it is more progressive than any other candidate does not make him left leaning. It just proves how much control corporations and money have in the US election process. Run Biden in any other country and tell me he is left leaning...

Alternatively, please share these progressive policies he has?
Expanding ACA (The bill basically created by Mitt Romney)?

Sure, maybe you'll find something, but his voting record speaks for itself. He has constantly been on the wrong side of social issues, wars, education, etc. his entire career.
I don't care about his voting record, the guy's been in politics for decades. Go back far enough and even Obama opposed gay marriage. Even Bernie Sanders has some spotty moments in regard to his support. At the end of the day long term politicians have to bend to modern trends. Someone who's been in politics for longer than most of us have been alive are bound to flip flop on issues depending on public opinion. Comparing US politics left vs right to say, Europe doesn't really work as you need to compare the actual political climate to itself. Things like basic social policies already in place in Europe aren't in the US yet, so while the plans outlined by Biden, Obama etc might be center or right by European standards claiming that they're "moderates" is pointless as in their own climate they're clearly left.

Alternatively, please share these progressive policies he has?
15 an hour federal min wage

Free 2 years college for those in families making less than 125k.

Debt relief for existing student loans.

Creation of a "buy in" US healthcare insurance. Effectively Medicare "if you want it". Not M4A but a step in that direction.

Progressive tax plan that puts pressure on the rich instead of Trump tax cuts.

Investing heavily in public education, both in funding and teacher pay.

Government support for worker's unions.

Focus on clean energy and not claiming that windmills cause cancer.

Support for fighting climate change that doesn't imply that it is a Chinese hoax.

Supporting LGBT+ equality and fighting the Xenophobia championed by Trump.

I mostly linked to Joe's website which is basically just propaganda and really needs a tl;dr version, but it's a good starting point to grasp the basics of what he plans to do. Once again no, he's not Bernie nor is he quite as left as a lot of people want. But his plan will push us closer to where we want to go, and as we all just watched more than 70 million people voted for Trump, so it's important to understand that unless you want to lose every election for being too extreme it's okay to take baby steps.

We don't really know which of these policies will actually happen. The Republicans will likely control the senate, so he's going to have an uphill battle in a lot of ways. Maybe it will just end similarly to Obama where many of his plans or ideals will end up half-assed due to government fighting.

Idk man, I'll take it over what we just dealt with over the last 4 years. Even if there's only a 10% chance of any of these things being focused on it's better than the 0% chance of it happening under Trump. Biden isn't the hero we want, but he's the one we need right now.
 
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I don't care about his voting record, the guy's been in politics for decades. Go back far enough and even Obama opposed gay marriage. Even Bernie Sanders has some spotty moments in regard to his support. At the end of the day long term politicians have to bend to modern trends. Someone who's been in politics for longer than most of us have been alive are bound to flip flop on issues depending on public opinion. Comparing US politics left vs right to say, Europe doesn't really work as you need to compare the actual political climate to itself. Things like basic social policies already in place in Europe aren't in the US yet, so while the plans outlined by Biden, Obama etc might be center or right by European standards claiming that they're "moderates" is pointless as in their own climate they're clearly left.



15 an hour federal min wage

Free 2 years college for those in families making less than 125k.

Debt relief for existing student loans.

Creation of a "buy in" US healthcare insurance. Effectively Medicare "if you want it". Not M4A but a step in that direction.

Progressive tax plan that puts pressure on the rich instead of Trump tax cuts.

Investing heavily in public education, both in funding and teacher pay.

Government support for worker's unions.

Focus on clean energy and not claiming that windmills cause cancer.

Support for fighting climate change that doesn't imply that it is a Chinese hoax.

Supporting LGBT+ equality and fighting the Xenophobia championed by Trump.

I mostly linked to Joe's website which is basically just propaganda and really needs a tl;dr version, but it's a good starting point to grasp the basics of what he plans to do. Once again no, he's not Bernie nor is he quite as left as a lot of people want. But his plan will push us closer to where we want to go, and as we all just watched more than 70 million people voted for Trump, so it's important to understand that unless you want to lose every election for being too extreme it's okay to take baby steps.

We don't really know which of these policies will actually happen. The Republicans will likely control the senate, so he's going to have an uphill battle in a lot of ways. Maybe it will just end similarly to Obama where many of his plans or ideals will end up half-assed due to government fighting.

Idk man, I'll take it over what we just dealt with over the last 4 years. Even if there's only a 10% chance of any of these things being focused on it's better than the 0% chance of it happening under Trump. Biden isn't the hero we want, but he's the one we need right now.
I promise to give him a fair shake as long as he doesn’t appoint Tim Geithner to anything.
 
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