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If I'm not mistaken, it could also learn Ice Beam (not sure if it needed it tho, moonblast probably hits dragons as hard as a 4x Ice attack would). Maybe once Home for S/V is released, Garde can cave a niche for itself with the Arceus moves, but IMHO it will probably find itself in RU/NU, maybe...

Regarding Agility sets, isnt Modest a better nature for this mon? After an agility it outspeeds the whole tier I think? (Bar some really edge cases I guess) Mdest would give it stronger fiery dances while still outspeeding. Is there any speedy threat I'm missing? (Can't check right now but just...

So does anyone have a comprehensive guide that differentiates playstyles? I've been having a real hard time trying to diferentiate bulky offense from balance this generation. Would like a resource to read upon. thanks in advance!

Any chance Iron Jugulis stays in OU and not drop to UU / UUBL? Seems like a straight downgrade from Hydreigon. Been trying to find a good set tu run on it but it's so.... bad/flavorless lol. Anyone has been running a set with relative success?

While I agree it was funny seeing little robot-santa-mon one-shotting everything bar Blissey, I don't think I'll ever reminisce it's time in OU, it was too restrictive and it's best sets weren't even the choiced ones. I don't think this discussion has any place in this thread anymore. On...

I am so sad that Ceru doesn't get Sharpness, it even has swords for arms c'mon. I've seen some sets running Jolly Weak Armor max atk/spe with Bitter Blade/ S Sneak / Close Combat / Swords Dance (or other coverage move if choice'd) but i don't think it has a place in the current OU metagame...

Espeon also seems to be outclassed as a CM user by . Espathra has access to speed boost, LUMINA CRASH (which sounds crazier in paper than what it really is honestly). It gains access to stronger Stored Powers much faster than Espeon thanks to Speed Boost. Espathra also has access to fairy...

Espeon is just too frail and doesnt do enough in this meta to be seriously considered imho. It hasn't been OU since XY for a reason. It's simply overwhelmed by faster, stronger threats and doesn't do enough damage without some CM boosts, and can't seem to find the right oportunities to setup...

Lurker and first time poster coming through So, the discussion around Iron Bundle seems to agree that it's heavily walled by Blissey (and Chansey I guess?) but this poke seems to heavily prey upon Clod/Dondo, the two Unaware walls OU is using to put a stop on setup mons like bulk up Palafin. I...