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I feel like pondering the nature and point of NDUU so early in the generation's life is a bit silly. It's only been a month of the tier existing after all. I also fail to see how banning is a bandaid situation when for the purposes of the ladder in NDUU it's hardly different than a Pokemon...

IMO the path the meta would take was split between banning tera or banning the (many) things that can abuse it until hopefully reaching something resembling a balanced metagame. I don't personally think it's sustainable but we'll just have to see how it plays out.

Thank god, some of these mons were incredibly irritating to deal with on such a constant basis. Between the bans from tiering shifts and now this I can't say I really have too many complaints about the tier. In terms of the watchlist I pretty much agree with most things there other than Manaphy...

Actually we don't have the Hisui Pokemon until Home drops in a few months, but I'm not too sure if that would warrant a retest.

"Man, the first month of NatDex UU wasn't very fun" we all said, before the usage statistics turned RU into whatever the hell this is.

Is there going to be a suspect test for Tera for UU since OU just barely scraped by without banning it? I feel like Tera has been ruining UU way more than OU to a certain point.

So it's just an issue of Showdown stats reading Greninja with Battle Bond as Ash-Gren because it assumes it can still turn into it when it should just be Greninja? That makes sense I guess, I was pretty confused when Ash-Gren showed up on the usage stats. Can't say I'm sad to see the frog go...

Gen 9 might honestly be one of the absolute worst gens in terms of move cuts. Almost everything that got removed from a moveset felt like there was 0 reason for it to have been removed at all, it's very frustrating.

Thank god for some of these usage bans for Natdex UU, seems like the meta is actually gonna be somewhat playable now. Happy New Year, and have fun with Chansey and Blissey in SV RU :)

It is honestly kind of ridiculous that Annihilape is allowed in this tier. I hope he is one of the first bans once NDUU starts dealing those out, he is way too restrictive without a lot of good counterplay moreso here than in OU, and he spirals out of control more consistently. Have not had half...

Mega Swampert ban hype is kind of silly, even if we assume rain is broken (I'm split on it myself) he isn't even a top 5 issue in terms of rain, especially with how many checks for it are floating around. Something like Greninja continues to be a lot more immediately annoying imo. Annihilape is...

There's some in the SM sprite thread that still aren't implemented (from what I've seen) even though they were posted a year ago, any reason why/any ETA on that?

So it's based more on the official release of the Hisui mons rather than them being in the game already (just not accessible without home)? I do think it's an interesting (but somewhat understandable) precedent that we're fine grabbing movepool changes from Pokemon that are in the game but...

To be fair there's barely a chance that Revival Blessing is going to stay around much once it works in the simulator, at least in my opinion.

Saying "god forbid" is hardly making a big deal compared to you basically giving me the start of a shonen rival monologue about power. I just personally think having fun should always come before winning in any hobby, don't know why that idea seemed bad enough for you to personally reply with...

God forbid I don't get satisfaction for victories I feel are cheap and have nothing to do with my skill. It's a video game dude, let's take it down a notch.

I mean yeah, I understand that that's the reasoning we base decisions on, I just don't agree with it.

It just feels like preserving Pokemon is never considered whatsoever, and in a game where (quite frankly) there are a lot of Pokemon you see way too often, more variety seems like it'd be more important. You can not seriously convince me that Houndstone, Dracovish, or Annihilape are genuinely...

Personally I use mons that do abuse it and I wish tera was banned, it makes the wins I get feel less fun/earned when it's because of tera. Not like I can just not use tera without putting myself at a disadvantage eithter

Well, yeah lol. A lot of times it's just random coverage I didn't expect a specific Pokemon to run (or tera sometimes) and I didn't want to/didn't think to use my tera on him, it's not like I'm leaving him in for flying or ghost types :P