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Why is Slowbro in doubt for OU? Also, why not use usage stats like with the other higher gens for determining tiers or Tournament usage+win% used as the base? Looking at SPL 13, it shows Slowbro had a great winrate with the usage it had, shouldn't this be enough proof that it fits with OU...

For NU, were Poliwrath and Golduck ever around the same time? From what I read, it seems Golduck was banned and then Poliwrath when he dropped to NU. Will there be new testing to see if it matters if Poliwrath and Golduck (and Raichu) can be used at the same time in the sense of a healthy meta?

Wouldn't tournament players be an even smaller pool than ladder? But I do see your point. Unless the Smogon admins push daily tournaments for the lower tiers, then the games will be limited to those who also play in tournaments. Regarding OU specifically, it says there were 20829 games play at...

Is there a reason cutoff isn't by ladder usage data? Ratings by individuals or tournaments is different than ladder. If we look at ladder at the 1500+ ratings which will see a lot more gameplay than tournaments, and is known for having the better players, we see Lapras enjoying 12% usage in...

The OHKO moves of Fissure, Guillotine, and Horn Drill are also banned. They've been banned since the very early days of online battles along with Double Team. https://www.smogon.com/dex/rb/formats/ou/ I can only presume that teams were running them very effectively if they were banned...

I see it now, not sure why I didn't see it the first time. I did sort of address it in all the points of pro-clause which you mentioned as being unncessary. OHKO moves are a fact of the game. Charizard gets knocked out by Hydro Pump, Venusaur by Fire Blast, and so forth. The Dig/Fly gets the...

I don't see any bolded part...could you quote me which part is bolded so I can read it? ...no...that's not what I equated at all. You stated. "I think that if the moves are allowed as they are on cartridge then we would be closer to cartridge, the rules would not have to be more complex, and...

We can allow a lot for it to be closer to cartridge. We can remove all clauses that are on Smogon's showdown. No Species clause. No Ubers Clause. No Sleep Clause. No banned-moves. While Nintendo made semi-standards in the form of the poke-cup(?), nothing in a gameboy cartridge is stopping you...

1. It is not wrong. it is another way of viewing the situation. Should an attack that causes a glitch at all be used even if it has a workaround. 2. After thinking it over and reading Beezlemons posts I retracted and said I'm in favour of the workaround and others as well. That was literally my...

Right...neither are implemented. Apologies, I'm not sure why I thought they were. I mean, I never really lurked on Smogon until several months ago, but I shouldn't be surprised that someone already made a clause for this scenario as soon as it was known. Regarding Fly Pikachu, that's only if...

His Freeze argument boils down to the secondary status argument. I know each time I use Ice Beam, I have a 10% chance of freezing the target. I know each time I use Wrap, the move will continue for X amount of turns and if the opponent swtiches out, that it will use the attack on the switched...

Hey, read my above post after where I rescinded. I'm still going over the ban and not ban argument, but I think the unbanning may be fine. I'll likely message the council later to discuss.

You know what, after thinking about it some more, I'm sold. I kept saying why not, but after going over my previous arguments, I feel like you may be right and that it's very easy to enforce. We already have a sleep clause where we enforce further sleep-inducing moves to not be used else be...

I am not missing the point. I'm afraid you are in this case. There is a difference between moves it is purposely coded and the result your opponent knows your next action such as Sky Attack, Razor Wind and unbroken Dig, vs Broken Dig or Fly. If I choose to use to Sky Attack or Razor Wind it's...

Regarding Fly or Dig. First recall why it is banned. If a paralyzed Pokemon becomes fully paralyzed during the turn they are in flight/underground, they are invincible until they use dig/fly. Needless to say, it's broken if left unchecked. Can't force the Articuno out. Can't force the Alakazam...

If Counter can cause a desync on cartridge under any, and especially common conditions, then it doesn't need to be mentioned since it needs to be banned like Psywave. If the opponent uses Counter and the last move you had highlighted was different to the last move used, a desync will occur if...

Is it a problem that you feel Slowbro, Lapras, Victreebell aren't good enough to challenge OU in their own niches even if used, or that they aren't used enough to warrant Smogon's standard of OU? I know Smogon likes to keep each tier as everything used until the 3.41% usage mark if I remember...

Really? So Porygon is to OU what Ditto is to Uber? Because I know Ditto has a small bit of viability to copy against a Mewtwo or Mew for certain combos. I also know on PP forums at least, Porygon wasn't considered viable on its own until the 4th tier. So that's the part that doesn't make...

Has there ever been any data on Kingler or Porygon? I feel like in theory Kingler should also be C or D since that's where Sandslash and Pinsir are located. Also, what makes Porygon an interesting partner in OU, but a non-entity here in UU?

If you banned all fully evolved psychics and also mid form (Kadabra, and Haunter) would also be banned, then Gastly and Abra would be a niche play because of their unique stats and typing. Gastly just for its ghost status+explosion is always neat. Abra as a glass cannon on the psychic side...