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I broadly agree with Finch. Ladder reqs were a positive step in the last suspect. It gave players including ABR, excal, and luck>skill the ability to vote, who clearly should be part of the voter pool, as well as several of our ladder community who are knowledgeable but dont always have the...

i think the excadrill discussion is beginning to become too much of a distraction as its probably the least compelling of the examples (compared to rachi, froslass etc) but: “If you need Excadrill in the tier because Spikes is singlehandedly ruining the metagame's playability, then just ban...

If you are still posting about "just ban excadrill then" or "what about Recover on Mewtwo" then you do not understand the proposal. There are legit counterarguments to the proposal in this thread, but these two arguments just prove you don't understand what we're talking about, sorry.

Finch this is an unbelievable take from the #1 proponent of smogon tiering policy beginning to feel like this is just made up as we go along

There is no “all 3” magic guard abusers, its an ability given to like 10 pokemon. And no, you surely cannot argue that it is intrinsically busted to avoid residual damage, as if any of us would use Clefairy should Clefable go, even duosion is incredibly difficult to pilot what with hating knock...

Magic Guard ban also breaks tiering policy - if I’m getting told that Sand Force isn’t on the table then I’m unsure why Magic Guard would be. There’s nothing intrinsically uncompetitive about it as an entire ability and if there was then surely that spans generations beyond BW. Reuniclus itself...

Star dpp ou latias may be the last old gen OU to have a ladder component which had a revisit vote, in this case the original voterbase was carried over + expanded to cover new tournaments Voter id thread...

Ladder voting reqs not carrying over from the last vote 3 months ago seems like an odd decision. Some people have reqs here from far longer ago than January For reference, on the gems revote we included the full list from the first vote + added in people who had gained reqs through more recent...

The problem elodin is that if people actually want meaningful change in Gens 4 and 5 then this is now the way to do it. We have had multiple years of the same conversation topics being on the chopping block to know that the community doesn't back tiering action on these Pokemon as a whole...

Revote on Cloyster should be a priority. That vote was incredibly close with a flawed format, council suggested we would revote after SPL regardless of outcome, and the mon has become even more diverse since then. I have spoken to many who have changed their minds on Cloyster. Lets just vote on...

If you read my post and thought “just ban Excadrill lol” then you have entirely missed the point. BW Excadrill and DPP Jirachi are such ingrained mons in their tiers that they are highly unlikely to ever reach a majority ban vote, despite having some problematic elements. In old gen suspect...

I will be mostly referring to BW OU in this post as its where I'm most familiar, but this will be pertinent for DPP OU + other Classic gens also. Proposal - Bring back flexible tiering policy in classic gens, let the playerbase decide on more nuanced action that is tailored to their metagame...

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Beating a dead horse at this point but Excadrill's existence in BW is already incoherent from a tiering policy point of view. I fail to see how continuing to modify the conditions under which we allow Excadrill as any worse than what we already have. Sand Force should be on the table. Excadrill...

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