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The reason why people decided to make this cartridge mod the “official” meta in the first place is not because it’s the better meta, but simply because it’s cartridge. It’s a similar thing for the tradebacks ban. They didn’t do extensive testing and see whether the meta was better or not with...

A tier list doesn't serve much purpose for an experienced player, because they all have their own tier lists formed in their heads. The main purpose of a tier list is to give new players a guide of how good different pokemon are. I think a viability cut-off is important is to distinguish between...

If the council does decide to patch counter instead of ban it, can we request to fix all the other game issues, like focus energy too? Or is there some unspoken rule that we’re only allowed to keep unfaithful mechanics if we didn’t know about them at the start? If counter gets patched, we need...

Outside of OU (I consider Venusaur to be the cut-off for OU) there really only needs to be two tiers. A tier for stuff like kingler, raticate, machamp etc. stuff that is bad but at least has some kind of niche use . Then another tier for hot trash like golbat that should never be used at all...

I agree that kingler is garbage, but I’d say venusaur is closer to sandslash than it is to pinsir and kingler. Venusaur and sandslash at least offer some form of utility, that’s why they’ve always been more common than the other two. Venusaur has sleep, and sandslash has defensive utility...

Ok but what I’m not understanding is that even before the paraslam change, if the opponent lead star or zam the optimal play was always to go chansey turn 1 to hopefully eat a twave. At worst they read it and switched to egg, in which case you double back to your lead and eat the sleep. But you...

Thanks for the write up So if chansey is not always running twave, then who is paralysing psychics? And who takes sleep on your team? I’m guessing it’s starmie.

Sorry for the bump but I wasn’t sure if this warranted a separate thread or not. I’ve been out of touch with the meta for awhile and apparently a lot has changed. Starmie is now considered better than Zam? Eggy is being dropped? For what Pokémon? What sets are chanseys and laxes running now...

That’s because it’s bad as an egg replacement, particularly when rhydon is so common. I think what’s bigger is egg dropping below zam in usage. Does this mean it’s now just a big 3? Or do people think it’s just a phase and egg will rise again. Personally I think it’s a phase, just like the bel...

As you said he got extremely lucky that game and Katz’s play was highly questionable, but I’ve gotta give props for mid-game twave dnite. Personally I think dnite is under-explored because it got pidgdeon-holed as an agi-wrapper. It’s a very good support wrapper. When I used to run wrap teams...

Zam is better at spreading para than chansey because chansey cannot get paralysis past the enemy chansey. You can always switch your paralysed chansey into theirs because paralysed chanseys cannot threaten each other. Zam can actually force chansey out with spc drops and twave whatever switches...

The thing is it’s only one double weakness per battle. If they run zapdos you’re double weak to it, but bel is still more useful in this scenario than zapdos is vs rhydon. If they run ice then there’s no zapdos. So really you’re still in the same position as a water team against zapdos or a...

One thing I find strange is that people insist on replacing eggy with bel instead of just using the two together. I’ve never understood why. It makes you double weak to zapdos and ice, but any water filler makes you double weak to zapdos and rhydon makes you double weak to ice. What makes it...

Don’t know where you’d find sample teams but I can tell you a wrap team I used to use: Alakazam Chansey Victrebel Cloyster Rhydon Tauros The goal is to use the free switches the bel and cloy give to spread status and get rhydon and tauros in unharmed to blow holes in their team. Zam is the...

If you want to be creative, you can definitely drop tauros. Tauros is often dropped for dragonite on wrap teams. Wrap itself has different sub-categories. You have the traditional wrap teams with bel cloyster and nite, where the goal is to set up nite. There’s toxic wrap teams, with almost...

Good post but some of this stuff is a bit incorrect. Chansey is picked to wall specials. Alakazam is better at spreading status specifically because it can force chansey out with spc drops. If you don’t have a chansey, you don’t have a reliable way of switching into specials and stopping them...

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It’d be interesting to see how a trade backs meta would develop. People always say that the “community” didn’t want tradebacks but in reality most of the players who played back then don’t play anymore. There’s plenty of people who play now that want them, but I don’t really know how you...

Stadium is an objectively more competitive meta. There’s a bit less RNG because crit rates got standardised and substitute is everywhere.Focus energy and hyper beam glitches are fixed which makes less games determined by a hyper beam vs body slam 50/50s. I’d rather we played tournaments on...

Most of the changes I’m suggesting would actually make the game better, but people are against them simply because it’s not what they’re used to. Removing freeze clause is debatable, but allowing tradebacks is literally giving Pokémon more moves and giving players more viable options. How could...