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what do you do about tera ghost bloodluna? it feels basically like an instant loss because nothing on the team other than blissey can deal with it, but even blissey can't even hit it with seismic toss. the best you can do is try and pp stall it but that's also not simple, mostly because blissey...

you're a moron. ogrepon literally 2hkos the entire metagame and is pretty damn fast to boot- there's literally, objectively zero defensive counterplay to it and the offense counterplay is fairly weak and inconsistent. you wanna play with ogrepon? go play ubers and stop bitching about shit you...

he's spitting. as usual the only people whining about smogon's system are the people who are not a part of the community and do not give a shit about what happens other than to bitch about it.

Exactly. I see the argument that it wouldn't fix the hazard game completely- there IS a dearth of good hazard removers, but like... let's not pretend that banning it wouldn't be a meaningful change to the state of hazards in the tier. If Gliscor (and others like Ting-Lu and Hamurott) are still...

Could you explain why banning Gholdengo is not the solution here? Sure, there are tons of Pokemon that can simultaneously pressure hazard removers while also setting up lots of hazards but... hasn't that always been the case, to an extent? Lando is/was so good in part because it does exactly...

I started writing that before Finch posted his next post. I still don't think that's a good reason for it being on the tiering survey. I would really appreciate if the council member who suggested that would provide some reasoning, because as it stands right now there's about five other mons I...

I agree with most of this but I really don't understand why Gliscor is even on here. Literally who's complaining about it? I certainly haven't seen anything other than salty 1200s scrubs, but they whine about everything, so their opinion is irrelevant. We get one good defensive Pokemon that...

The problem is that most people don't consider it a problem because it's not so much the mon itself that causes issues (i.e. it's not necessarily sweeping entire teams like bax/kingambit/regieleki), it's its effect on the metagame as a whole that's a problem. Hazards being omnipresent and...

I don't see why we need to drop Darkrai now when there are far more important things to do that can/will improve the tier, i.e. ban ogrepon-hackerman/manaphy. Shouldn't we just wait until DLC2 instead of performing experiments on a meta that's as transient as this one is? We barely have time for...

I never said we were copying their process, and I'm sorry if that's what it sounded like I was trying to say. In either case it sounds like this discussion's over so I'm not going to bother arguing any more points.

When I said "hyperoffensive hellhole" I was more describing modern OU than Gen 5. My point was that in Gen 5 there were obvious things that should've gotten banned (i.e. weather/weather abusing abilities, latios, keldeo, gems, etc.) that didn't and there were things that were brought down into...

So if the community wants a dogshit unplayable tier full of broken mons, you're just going to give it to them? What if there's significant community support for legalizing something like evasion? Are we seriously at a point where the council is just going to acquiesce to whatever stupid ideas...

The problem is that this community this generation has shown a distinct unwillingness to actually ban anything (see again the Volcarona ban controversy, Kingambit not getting banned, Tera not getting banned, hell I'm pretty sure I saw people defending Regieleki back when that was legal). Am I...

I'm pointing out a flaw in your logic- there clearly is a degree where you can look at a Pokemon's various traits and see that it is, on a fundamental level, too good for OU. Volcarona, in Generation 9, is clearly in this camp. I've yet to see a single good argument for it remaining in the tier-...

Well, then we might as well legalize the box legends and anything else that hasn't been tested in OU! How can we know for certain that they're broken? It's almost as if there's something... self evident about their power level? It's almost as if you can just look at their stats and movepools and...

It's precedented enough in the fact that Volcarona was absurdly and obviously broken to anyone with eyes. That's all the precedent there needs to be. Calyrex-S dies in one hit to knock off! Make it ou!!!

As far as I'm concerned, any complaint about process in regards to the Volcarona ban was just an excuse to whine about the ban itself, just using an argument with a veneer of legitimacy instead of openly whining. The ban was entirely normal and within what the council has done in the past. There...

I don't know why the council is taking into account the opinions of people who clearly don't know anything and just whine whenever any ban happens. There isn't really any escaping it- people are GONNA bitch and complain no matter what you do, no matter how obvious the ban (there are some people...

Exactly this. When a Pokemon's only defensive counterplay is, on stall, to sack a mon to force it to tera and then wall it with a very specific tera (that it can counter) on Dondozo , that's a massive problem. It's gotta go. Your only options are to either kill it with faster mons/priority or to...

Ogrepon-Hearth's gotta go. The thing doesn't have any walls and doesn't even need to tera to do absolutely insane amounts of damage to things that resist its attacks. So far, the only way I've found to even kind of deal with it (which half requires the opponent to be a moron, and also only works...