Murkrow has been the hardest one to find a niche for so far; I've been having the best luck with both Crocalor and Dusclops (especially because both Crocalor and Dusclops can feast on setup sweepers). Murkrow I've so far been running Haze, Taunt, Perish Song with U-Turn to alright results. Still need to test more tech though!
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Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4 [Volcarona Banned]
- Thread starter TPP
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Playing VGC/Doubles. Use Tailwind and Quash.
As a Noivern enjoyer, don't forget that it gets Boomburst, which can be combined Tera Normal and specs to do pretty good damage, like 2HKOing Pdef Ting-Lu and spdef Gholdengo. It also gets Super Fang, Switcheroo and U-turn to help wear down its own checks before committing to a sweep.
j0nathan
formerly trainer_j0nathan
2 Hit KOing SpDef Gholdengo with Boomburst?
What?
How?
Or am I just to dumb to understand that?
I like that it's shiny bc regardless of the shiny's quality it always is shinyI literally saw tera bug lunge gliscor last game
I think it was something like this:
Noob's set (Gliscor) (F) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Hyper Cutter
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Tailwind
- Lunge
- Quick Attack
Like man, they took damage from toxic! What the heck is going on here.
I thought that togekiss returned in DLC2 I'm so sorry please forgive me
Petaya berry
252 SpA Noivern Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Gholdengo: 174-206 (55.2 - 65.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
probably just missdone. also how did I go for an hour and a half and we haven't done a full page?
I don't know what I should be more concerned about. The fact that you were laddering, or the fact that you faced 11 DUSCLOPS ON THE OU LADDER. What are these people cooking out here bro
I have faced a swords dance duraludon with only special moves. Chew on that for a moment. Not only a duraludon, but also using swords dance. And then using moves like Draco meteor.
j0nathan
formerly trainer_j0nathan
I faced a Sceptile with Giga Impact and Double Edge. I love low ladder.
Oh don't get me wrong, low ladder is so fun to see these wacky and usually useless sets. Heck, that duraludon showed me that its line can use swords dance, which I didn't know because I most likely missed it when making my first archaludon set, so I can at least say it did something.
j0nathan
formerly trainer_j0nathan
Yeah I also didn't know that. SD Archaludon could actually be quite okay. It's probably outclassed by Body Press + Iron Defense though.
It most likely is, but it does have decent suprise factor, such as destroying clodsire, which could be massive for rain as clodsire is a big wall for them. I think I've seen e-quake on normal arch sets to lure in clod though. Maybe a set with sd, e-quake, electro shot and draco could be good as a lure.
Testing in low ladder, and just got reminded why they call him Haxrai
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2044080316
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2044080316
God damn that is vile lmao
KamenOH
formerly DynamaxBestMeta
God, I wish attack buffs stacked with BP. Imagine the +12 shenanigans you could pull off with Stamina+SD BP
That person really looked at the sleep ban and said “this sign can’t stop me because I can’t read!”
And you know what? Respect.
I Will Not Stop Until All Pure RNG Elements Are Banned!
Use a focus band on that set to at some point get a focus band survival even if you are at 25% hp.
ok i'm gonna run focus band on this, it's time
At this point, I'm pretty sure we should just ban Tera. The sleep ban over banning Darkrai and Valiant was not something I would have expected. Iron Valiant was seen as like the perfectly balanced mon before people started spamming Hypnosis on it. Valiant being in the tier is great for OU, in my opinion, but it still isn't the most consistent with past decisions. Like earlier this gen, they initially held off banning Shed Tail because it wasn't initially seen as obvious to some that Orthworm was broken with it. They later did ban the move. But it makes me wonder about the priorities.
To be clear, I'm not even here to dispute these decisions. And this isn't to say they are wrong decisions, either. I read Finch's explanations and, in a vacuum, it all makes sense. It's not even a disappointment to me. I personally like that Valiant is still in the tier. I'm just wondering where the consistency is. And where does the line exist?
Do we test the problematic pokemon first? Or do we just wholesale ban the mechanic first? The answer seems to be that it depends.
And as this relates to Tera, we had close to 30 bans before this latest DLC even came out. Shouldn't we, by this logic, have just wholesale banned the mechanic? I know some people have made the argument that many of the mons were broken without Tera. But I don't know. I think at least a good chunk of them would be much more manageable without it.
Dynamax was banned last gen for being clearly broken. I'm not trying to get into a fight with somebody over which one is worse. But Tera enables a lot of broken or borderline stuff at minimum. It feels like folks just generally like Tera more, which is understandable, but not a competitive reason to keep something that should be banned around.
Do we not have enough evidence by now that Tera enables more than just two major pokemon?
To be clear, I'm not even here to dispute these decisions. And this isn't to say they are wrong decisions, either. I read Finch's explanations and, in a vacuum, it all makes sense. It's not even a disappointment to me. I personally like that Valiant is still in the tier. I'm just wondering where the consistency is. And where does the line exist?
Do we test the problematic pokemon first? Or do we just wholesale ban the mechanic first? The answer seems to be that it depends.
And as this relates to Tera, we had close to 30 bans before this latest DLC even came out. Shouldn't we, by this logic, have just wholesale banned the mechanic? I know some people have made the argument that many of the mons were broken without Tera. But I don't know. I think at least a good chunk of them would be much more manageable without it.
Dynamax was banned last gen for being clearly broken. I'm not trying to get into a fight with somebody over which one is worse. But Tera enables a lot of broken or borderline stuff at minimum. It feels like folks just generally like Tera more, which is understandable, but not a competitive reason to keep something that should be banned around.
Do we not have enough evidence by now that Tera enables more than just two major pokemon?
I don't believe there will be a second Tera suspect test. The take action on Tera camp from the qualified sample of survey takers didn't even reach 50%. Finchinator is not going to start a suspect test when only a minority of qualified players want to take action on the mechanic. It would not surprise me if the next time Tera is on the survey that only 1/3 of those who take it want action on Tera, meaning the appetite to take action on Tera will have mostly dissipated.
And I personally hate Tera, but I believe it will stay for the rest of the generation unrestricted based on the latest survey. The ban Tera movement has been defeated, which I believe is a pity since we could play with a larger pool of Pokemon if Tera were not legal.
And I personally hate Tera, but I believe it will stay for the rest of the generation unrestricted based on the latest survey. The ban Tera movement has been defeated, which I believe is a pity since we could play with a larger pool of Pokemon if Tera were not legal.
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