What? DDMence can OHKO it. 240/216 Relaxed Swampert can be OHKO'd by DDOutrage.
Yes, it can, but what can't it ohko or seriously denting after a DD. Either way, your denting/killing a Swampert or Suicune breaking things mid-game or leaving your Swampert or Suicune to be revenge killed. In my experience, my Swampert is a reliable check while it DDs it if I have above 87%. Kill my Swampert and you are just asking to be revenge killed by other pokes. Only once did DDMence swept my current team late-game.
It isn't that uncommon.
You just stated to me with your comment that Grass is uncommon. Just not as uncommon at its low point o.o.
Most electrics go Grass>Ice and the 5th most used pokemon uses it alot.
Yea, HP Grass just for Swampert which tells us how good Swampert is. Seriously though, why would Swampert switch into Infernape unless its a Stealth Rock lead or Physical Sweeper. Stealth Rock lead rarely run Grass Knot anyways.
There are 4 commonly used Electrics: Zapdos, Magnezone, Electivire and Jolteon. I wouldn't dead switch into Zapdos until I know if doesn't have HP Grass. Zapdos doesn't warrant much of a threat anways, so other things can come into it easy. Magnezone will rarely run HP Grass, it has much better options. Jolteon is the only thing to note. About 34% of Jolteon users run Specs, it wouldn't be too hard to predict a Thunderbolt. Even if it's something other than Specs, Jolteon isn't a hard pokemon to counter. If you can't counter it, you have serious other problems or just run a Offensive team that has one reliable check. Electivire is weak, dont ask.
Calm minds are very easy to set up on things like Celebi and Zapdos that try to "counter" you.
Seriously, why would people switch in Celebi or Zapdos unless its in OHKO range or dent it enough for something favorable to face Suicune. If those are your only counters it, someone has to call Team Rebuild.
Reliable checking (not a reason backed up by facts)
You just have bad experiences using Swampert... don't you. Swampert can pretty much counter the same things Suicune can. The thing I give credit to Suicune is the extra bulk to survive some things that set up. But of course, each got their own unique set of different counters, which makes it DIFFERENT. They both do different jobs, Swampert has different good sets and Suicune has different good sets. It's just not Stealth Rock Swampert that makes it good. There are other sets, too like there are other sets that make Suicune good.
Suicune is just an example. Slowbro says Hi (slack off).
Yea, let Slowbro say Hi to Gengar and T-Tar too.
Much better defenses.
I gave you credit for that.
Donphan and Physical Electivire are used, does that mean they are better than things like Starmie and Metagross, mence, etc. at doing their jobs?
LOL, thanks for making me look at different pokemon that do different jobs. Let's respect that Suicune and Swampert do different jobs.